Lee Sau Lai Alexandretta and Another v. Li Sau Sang

Read the full judgment text of DCCJ 2191/2012 on BabelCite. This District Court judgment was delivered on 23 March 2015.

2. The 1st plaintiff (“P1”) is the academic director of languages discipline of the Vocational Training Council (the “VTC”).

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Case No.DCCJ 2191/2012
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District Court
Date23 Mar 2015
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DCCJ2191/2012

IN THE DISTRICT COURT OF THE

HONG KONG SPECIAL ADMINISTRATIVE REGION

CIVIL ACTION NO 2191 OF 2012

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BETWEEN

  LEE SAU LAI ALEXANDRETTA 1st Plaintiff
  QIU XIAO YAN 2nd Plaintiff

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  LI SAU SANG Defendant

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Before: Deputy District Judge Anthony Chow in Court
Date of Hearing: 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 17 April 2014
Date of Judgment: 23 March 2015

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JUDGMENT

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Background and agreed facts

1.This is a libel action.

2.The 1st plaintiff (“P1”) is the academic director of languages discipline of the Vocational Training Council (the “VTC”).

3.At the relevant time, the 2nd plaintiff (“P2”) was the principal lecturer and the head of the language centre of IVE (Tsing Yi) (“LC/TY”) and is now an associate professor of the Technological and Higher Education Institute, which is a member of the VTC group.

4.The defendant is the project manager, engineering discipline in-service training office, VTC and the president of VTC Academic Staff Association (the “ASA”) which is 1 of more than 20 employee unions in VTC.

5.On 1 March 2010, a press conference was organized by the Hong Kong Professional Teachers’ Union (the “PTU”), the purpose was to air grievances by VTC staffs hired on short term contract and new remuneration packages.

6.7 language teachers attended the press conference.  An external relationship officer of the VTC also attended the conference, but she was asked to leave after her identity was discovered.

7.On 31 March 2011 P1 was asked by P2 to speak on an adjourned staff meeting for LC/TY.

8.On 1 April 2011, Mr Yeung Wai Keung Frankie (“Yeung”), a member of ASA who attended the 31 March 2011 meeting, made a complaint to ASA through the defendant about P1’s 31 March 2011 speech.  Yeung also made a secret recording of P1’s speech.

9.Also on 1 April 2011, P2 had a meeting with Mr Chung Chiu Tung Jordan (“Chung”), the chairman of ASA at the time.  As a result of that meeting, Chung made a complaint to ASA through the defendant, about the content of his conversation with P2.

10.The VTC has a set of well known staff Complaints and Grievances Policy and Procedures.  On 1 April 2011, the defendant filed complaints pursuant to the VTC’s Complaints and Grievances Policy and Procedures against the P1 on 2 April 2011, and against P2 on 1 April 2011.

11.The plaintiffs also filed complaints against the defendant pursuant to the VTC’s Complaints and Grievances Policy.

12.From 1 April 2011 to 22 May 2011, the defendant commenced publishing a series of chain emails, to a number of recipients in respect of P1 and P2.

13.The recipients included: inter alia, council members, the executive director, the senior deputy executive director, all three deputy executive directors, senior assistant executive director of headquarters division 1, all of VTC; principal of IVE (Tsing Yi); acting head of human resources division; 馮偉華(教協會長); 張文光(立法會議員及教協副會長); 梁敏儀(教協); 朱嘉妮(李鳳英議員辦事處); 鄺志堅(前立法會議員, 香港工聯會法律顧問); and 李鳳英(立法會議員,職業訓練局理事會成員).

14.On or about June 2011, in a report dated May 2011, VTC’s Administration Committee found the defendant’s allegations against the plaintiffs not substantiated, but the complaints against the defendant for sending excessive chain mass emails to over 1,000 recipients, were substantiated.  As a result of the Administration Committee’s finding, a letter of caution was issued to the defendant.

15.The plaintiffs alleged that these emails were defamatory and filed this claim.

The claim

16.P1 alleges that of the defendant’s chain of emails, 22 of them were defamatory.  P2 alleges of the defendant’s chain of emails, 18 were defamatory. (For easy of reference the chain of emails are attached as schedule A).

17.The plaintiffs isolated part of the aforesaid e-mails in the statement of claim and alleged that those words (the “Words”) in their natural and ordinary meaning imputed that P1 and P2:-

(a) were dishonest;

(b) were without integrity;

(c) were not tolerant and not broad-minded;

(d) abused their positions to intimidate, oppress and insult their colleagues and subordinates and caused fear, harassment and disturbance to them; and

(e) “witch-hunted” teachers who aired grievances to persons outside LC/TY and caused “white terror” among the staff.

(A copy of the Words with notation of the relevant emails and the imputation alleged by the plaintiff is attached as schedule B.)

18.Alternatively, the plaintiffs says that by way of innuendo the Words meant and were understood to mean the plaintiffs intimated, oppressed and insulted their colleagues and subordinates and caused them disturbance and harassment.  That:-

(a)   P1 and P2 intentionally “witch-hunted” teachers who have aired grievances to persons outside LC/TY;

(b)  P1 and P2 acted against the interest of the staffs in LC/TY; and

(c)   P1 and P2 seriously prejudiced and/or jeopardized the interests of staffs in LC/TY.

19.Further, the plaintiffs say that the Words were false and were published by the defendant maliciously.

20.P1 also says that the quote referring to her speech at the staff meeting on 31 March 2011 were taken out of context.

21.Finally, the plaintiffs relied on section 24 of the Defamation Ordinance Cap 21, Laws of Hong Kong.

The defence

22.The defendant states that his emails, when read in its’ entirety and in its’ context, the Words’ natural and ordinary meaning was not defamatory.  The Words meant and were understood to mean:-

(a) Some staff of LC/TY felt intimidated by P1’s speech during the staff meeting on 31 March 2011, because of the suspected witch-hunting;

(b) Chung felt intimidated/harassed/disturbed by P2 during their meeting on 1 April 2011;

(c) ASA protested against the suspected witch-hunting by the plaintiffs;

(d) ASA protested against the suspected witch-hunting by the plaintiffs;

(e) ASA’s complaints against the plaintiffs had solid foundation;

(f) ASA demanded transparent and impartial investigation into the suspected witch-hunting by the plaintiffs; and

(g) ASA encouraged members of ASA and members of other VTC unions to seek help if they also experienced witch-hunting.

23.Even if the Words were defamatory, they were honest comments.

24.Alternatively, the imputation in respect of which the defendant is being sued is substantially true and hence the imputation was justified.

25.Further and to the alternative, the relevant emails were published on an occasion of qualified privilege.

26.Finally, even if the defendant was found to be liable for defamation, the plaintiffs did not suffer any increased injury to their feelings, due to defendant’s post-publication conduct.

The issues

27.The agreed issues are:-

(1)  Whether the Words were defamatory either in their natural and ordinary meaning or by way of innuendo;

(2)  If the answer to issue (1) is affirmative, whether the Words were fair comment on matters of public interest;

(3)  Further and/or in the alternative to issue (2), whether the Words were published on an occasion of qualified privilege;

(4)  Further and/or alternatively:-

(a) Whether the Words were false;

(b) If so, whether the defendant published the Words maliciously that:-

(i) he knew the Words were false; or

(ii) he ought to have known that there was no truth in the Words as he had no or no reasonable basis for believing in their truth or accuracy.

28.The agreed issues on relief are:-

(5)  Whether an injunction should be granted against the defendant; and

(6)  Whether the defendant is liable to pay damages including aggravated and/or exemplary damages, if so, the quantum.

29.Before I embark on the analysis of the issues, there are a number of factual disputes raised by the parties. Some of them are relevant but some are not relevant.  I will deal with those that are relevant to the issues as they arise. Even if I do not mention them in my judgment, I have carefully considered all of the factual disputes before I came to my conclusions.

30.In respect to publication, although in paragraph 30 and 31 of the Statement of Defence, the defendant denied publishing 2 of the emails, because they were written by others and only included in his chain of emails, in his final submission Mr Carter Chim, counsel for the defendant, wisely admitted all relevant emails were published by the defendant.

Whether the Words were defamatory either in their natural and ordinary meaning or by way of innuendo

The Law

31.Although isolated and identified separately as the Words, there is no dispute that the chain of emails should be read as a whole.  The learned authors of Gatley on Libel and Slander (12th ed) stated:-

“It follows from the fact that the context and circumstances of the publication must be taken into account, that the claimant cannot pick and choose parts of the publication which, standing alone, would be defamatory.”

32.Whether the emails are defamatory is a matter of construction and not evidence.  In Hung Yuen Chan Robert v Hong Kong Standard Newspaper Ltd & others [1996] 4 HKC, LePichon J (as she then was) held:-

“Whether the words complained of are defamatory is a question of construction and not of evidence. The first task that faces the court is to determine the natural and ordinary meaning of the words used. As stated by Lord Devlin in Rubber Improvement Ltd v Daily Telegraph Ltd [1964] AC 234 at 277, when construing the words, the method of approach to be adopted must take into account the fact that ‘the layman’s capacity for implication is much greater than the lawyer’s’.

(a) The court decides the natural and ordinary meaning as a question of fact by attributing to the words the meaning which the court considers that they would convey to ordinary reasonable persons. It is not linked to the literal meaning of words but includes any inference or implication which would reasonably be drawn.

(b) The sense in which the words were intended is treated as irrelevant.

(c) the sense in which the words were in fact understood is treated as irrelevant though, it seems, regard will be had to the sort of people to whom the words were or were likely to have been published.

(d)  The words are construed in their context.”

… the following guidelines can be extracted :-

‘The hypothetical reasonable reader was not naïve but not unduly suspicious. He could read between the lines. He could read in an implication more readily than a lawyer, and might indulge in a certain amount of loose thinking.

But he had to be treated as being a man who was not avid for scandal and someone who did not, and should not, select one bad meaning where other, non-defamatory meanings were available.’

See per Neill LJ in Hartt v Newspaper Publishing plc, Court of Appeal (unreported) The Times, 9 November 1989.”

33.I have read the email chains carefully and I have no doubt this hypothetical reasonable reader would find the emails, taken as a whole, defamatory.

The defamatory words

34.The actual defamatory words were too numerous to list out individually.  I will only attempt to list a few examples here.

35.In the English emails, two phases were used often by the defendant to describe one or both plaintiffs, these are: “witch-hunting” and creating “white terror”.

36.The New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary defines “witch hunt” to be: “a malicious campaign against a group of people with unpopular of unorthodox views or behavior”.

37.The Merriam-Webster Dictionary (on line) defines “witch hunting” to include: “the act of unfairly looking for and punishing people who are accused of having opinions that are believed to be dangerous or evil” and “the searching out and deliberate harassment of those (as political opponents) with unpopular views”.

38.The Collins Cobuild Essential English Dictionary (1989) defines “witch hunt” to be: “a search for people who are thought to be responsible for things that have gone wrong, in order to punish them. The victims of a witch hunt are often innocent people who have strong and independent opinions, but have not actually done any harm”.

39.“White terror” is defined in wordiQ, an on line dictionary, as:-

“More generally, the term is used, mainly by leftist to describe a right-wing counterrevolution. In reference to the Chinese Civil War, the ‘White Terror’ was an attempted suppression of Communists and communist sympathizers by Chiang Kai-shek’s Kuomintang government. Beginning in 1927, the white terror spread through many major Chinese cities, most notably Shanghai.

In reference to the 228 Incident on Taiwan in 1947m the ‘white terror’ describes the suppression of political dissent and public discussion of the massacre. In the decades following the incident, many thousands of Taiwanese were imprisoned or executed for their real or perceived opposition to the Kuomintang government,…”.

The Analysis

40.The dictionary meanings of these phases are of course only the starting point in their construction, but reading the emails individually and as a whole, I find a hypothetical reasonable reader who is not naïve but not unduly suspicious can adscript no other possible meaning of “witch-hunting” and “white terror” than the plaintiffs had abused their positions to intimidate, oppress and insult their colleagues and subordinates and caused fear, harassment and disturbance to them.

41.Some of the other words used by the defendant were: “stop bullying or prosecuting teachers”, “the message disturbing or harassing”, “oppressing staff”, “causing disturbance, harassment and intimation to staff” and “the oppressions the teachers had suffered because they had expressed grievances”.  The natural and ordinary meanings for these words when read within the content of the chain emails, taking specific consideration of the recipients and repetitiveness of the emails, need no explanation.

42.In the Chinese emails, some of the words used by the defendant to describe the plaintiffs were: -

“打壓投訴者”,“以逼迫恐嚇方法使下屬懼怕”,“用孤立分化手段令下屬彼此猜忌”,“弱勢員工的投訴一旦被壓倒, 獨裁主管立即沾沾自喜,更變本加厲,大肆出言恐嚇”,“有關學術總監和部門主管「剷除異己」”,“語文學科領導出言恐嚇, 企圖令同工噤若寒蟬。”,“學術總監在31/3特別會議中對同工的恐嚇…總非偶然”,“曾因申訴不滿而被主管或總監逼迫而(精神上、事業上、金錢上、等等)蒙受損失”,“力證確實有人出言恐嚇令員工不安”,“明目張膽地向下屬出言恐嚇”,“以上司身份對下屬「出言恐嚇、欺壓逼迫」等言行…學術總監的冒犯他人的說話”,“秋後算賬”,“出言恐嚇”,“逼迫恐嚇”,“剷除異己”,“因投訴而孤立下屬”,“向下屬出言不遜”,“魯言莽語” and “誣蔑工會”。

43.The natural and ordinary meanings of these words in the Chinese emails when read with the content of the chain emails, taking specific consideration of the recipients and repetitiveness of the emails, also need no explanation.

44.In Lee Ching & Another v Lau May Ming [2007] 3 HKLRD 623, Poon J held:-

“Generally speaking, a defamatory imputation is one to the plaintiff’s discredit; or which tends to lower him in the estimation of others; or causes him to be shunned or avoided; or exposes him to hatred contempt or ridicule : see Gatley, on Libel and Slander (10th ed, 2005) pp 28-29, para 2.1 applied by Cheung J (as he then was) in Drummond v Kwaku [2000] 1 HKLRD 604, at p 629C-E.”

Conclusion

45.There is no dispute that the defendant was describing the plaintiffs in these emails and as academic director of languages discipline for VTC and the principal lecturer and the head of the language centre LC/TY, paying particular attention to the Words, but analyzing them in the context of the whole of the emails chains, I find a hypothetical reasonable reader who is not naïve but not unduly suspicious will find the emails were clearly to the discredit of each and sometimes both plaintiffs and tends to lower them in the estimation of their colleagues and staffs, will cause them to be shunned or avoided and exposed them to hatred contempt and ridicule.  These emails were defamatory and all 5 imputations alleged by the plaintiffs are clearly established.

46.If necessary, after reading the emails in full, I also find the hypothetical reasonable reader would find the email chains were defamatory by innuendo as well.

Whether the Words were fair comment on matters of public interest

47.In his final submission, Mr Chim, argued that given the factual background of the case, the defendant’s emails were merely stating what the plaintiffs had done and in the defendant’s opinion what these conducts amounted to.  In other words, the emails merely stated the defendant’s suspicion or comment, based on the information the defendant received from Yeung, Chung and the other two anonymous complainants.

The Law

48.The defence of honest or fair comment is succinctly stated in Gatley in para 12.1 as follows:-

“It is a defence to an action of libel or slander that the words complained of are honest comment on a matter of public interest. The right to comment honestly on important matters has been considered a ‘bulwark of free speech’, one of the fundamental rights of free speech and writing… and… of vital importance to the rule of law on which we depend for our personal freedom’. …”

49.In para 12.2 the learned author of Gatley further stated there are 5 elements to the defence of fair comments, they are:-

“(1) the comment must be on a matter of public interest;

(2) the comment must be recognisable as comment, as distinct from an imputation of fact;

(3) the comment must be based on facts which are true or protected by privilege;

(4) the comment must be explicitly or implicitly indicate, at least in general terms, the facts on which it is based; and

(5) the comment must be one which could have been made by an honest person, however prejudiced he might be, and however exaggerated or obstinate his view.

Where malice can be established by the claimant this will defeat the defence of honest comment….”

Comments or imputation of facts?

50.The learned authors of Gatley, in para 12.8, has the following guidance:-

“The ultimate determinant of whether the words are comments or fact is how they would strike the ordinary, reasonable reader. That said, the question is in the first instance to be answered by the judge. …The first step is to determine the meaning of what the defendant has said in its context. For this purpose, the law adheres to the normal rule that words are treated as having a single meaning. It is possible to distinguish three general situations:-

(1) A statement may be a ‘pure’ statement of evaluative opinion which represents the writer’s view on something which cannot be meaningful verified: for example, ‘I do not think Jones is attractive’.

(2) A statement which is potentially one of fact or one of evaluative opinion according to the context: for example, ‘Jones is a disgrace’.

(3) A statement which is only capable of being regarded as one of facts and is in no sense one of opinion, but which may be an inference drawn by the writer from other facts: for example, ‘Jones took a bribe’.

Honest comment clearly applies to the first situation. It also obviously applies to the second situation if the statement is best read as an evaluative opinion in the context of the publication as a whole (for example), because the writer has just described some controversial act of Jones).

A statement that may be regarded as an assertion of fact may yet be comment for the purposes of the defence is it comprises an inference from other facts stated or referred to.  Though ‘comment’ is often equated with ‘opinion’, this is an over-simplification.  Comment is ‘something which is or can reasonably be inferred to be a deduction, inference, conclusion, criticism, remark, observation, etc’.  Hence, the defence can also apply to the third situation above if the statement of fact can be understood as an inference from supporting facts.  In this sense, fact and comment are not dichotomous.”

51.Lord Nicholls of Birkenhead NPJ, has the following to say on this issue, in Cheng & Another v Tse Wai Chun (2000) 3 HKCFAR 339, he stated:-

“Second, the comment must be recognisable as comment, as distinct from an imputation of fact. If the imputation is one of fact, a ground of defence must be sought elsewhere, for example, justification or privilege. Much learning has grown up around the distinction between fact and comment. For present purposes it is sufficient to note that a statement may be one or the other, depending on the context. Ferguson J gave a simple example in the New South Wales case of Myerson v Smith’s Weekly (1923) 24 SR (NSW) 20, 26: ‘To say that a man’s conduct was dishonourable is not comment, it is a statement of fact. To say that he did certain specific things and that his conduct was dishonourable is a statement of fact coupled with a comment’”.

S 27 Defamation Ordinance

52.Section 27 of the Defamation Ordinance states:-

“In an action for libel or slander in respect of words consisting partly of allegations of fact and partly of expression of opinion, a defence of fair comment shall not fail by reason only that the truth of every allegation of fact is not proved if the expression of opinion is fair comment having regard to such of the facts alleged or referred to in the words complained of as are proved.”

53.The chain of emails started off as assertion of facts but nevertheless could still reasonable be inferred as a deduction, inference, conclusion, criticism, remark or observation.  For example in the email dated 1 April 2011, after reiterating Chung’s version of the meeting with P2, the defendant wrote:-

“Was it a witch-hunt on ASA or the department? Digging into specific department will cause white terror amongst the staff. Singling out a union chairman for questioning on heated issues is unwise and unacceptable. The VTC management should focus on solving the problem per se, not hunting the person who pointed out the problem.”

54.However, the later emails deteriorated into direct and sometime vicious attack on the plaintiffs.  After reading all of the emails, I found the following squarely within situation (3) and are not an inference from supporting facts:-

(1) In the email dated 3 April 2011, the defendant wrote: “Staff concern witch-hunting at Language Discipline is well founded.  Please read the email below.  How could an Academic Director say such words to teachers? ... Instead of oppressing staff, she should be much more tolerant and broad-minded (包容) of staff airing their grievances”.

(2) In the email dated 8 April 2011, the defendant wrote: “Comments…8.  The discipline management should focus on solving the problem per se, not hunting the persons who pointed out the problem.”

(3) In the second email on 17 April 2011, the defendant wrote: “獨裁主管的特徵是容不下異己,並打壓投訴者。他們行使強權,以逼迫恐嚇方法使下屬懼怕,用孤立分化手段令下屬彼此猜忌。從這次事件可以看到,弱勢員工的投訴一旦被壓倒,獨裁主管立即沾沾自喜,更變本加厲,大肆出言恐嚇。”

(4) In the email dated 19 April 2011, the defendant wrote: “當管理層及人事部疲於奔命,推出[理順方案]安撫短期合約員工,那邊廂語文學領導卻出言恐嚇,企圖令同工噤若寒蟬。”

(5) In the email dated 24 April 2011, the defendant wrote: “明目張膽地向下屬出言恐嚇,已是不能接受的行為。若因投訴而弧立和打壓下屬,這種逼迫行為,更非工會所能容忍。”

(6) In the email dated 3 May 2011, the defendant wrote: ““HRD說不會寬恕非法(unlawful)行為和演說,相信包括LC/TY主管對工會理事的盤問,和學術總監對教員的演說。以上司身份對下屬[出言恐嚇,欺壓逼迫]等言行,…管方應體恤同工苦況,並正視核心問題:上司身份對下屬[出言恐嚇,欺壓逼迫]是否比錄音更不德?...”  

(7) In the email dated 17 May 2011, the defendant wrote: “The truth is: … AD(LD) Mrs A Poon spoke to LC/TY staff in a special meeting on 31 March intimidating them …”.

(8) In the email dated 19 May 2011, the defendant wrote: “ASA demands for effective measures to ensure that Ms XY Qiu and Mrs A Poon will stop bullying or prosecuting the LC/TY teachers who have aired grievances to VTC unions and outside parties including PTU.”

55.It is common knowledge that human memory fades as time passes.  When receiving a series of correspondence, it is always the latest correspondence that leaves the deepest impact on our minds.

56.Email chains are organised in reverse chronological order, meaning the latest email appears first, with the next latest appearing second and the earlier emails appearing later in the chain.  Accordingly, to the recipients of the email chains, the later emails must have left a far deeper impression on their minds than the earlier emails.  

57.Finally, even though some of the emails included the word “Comment” or phrased as a question, what followed were in fact not a comment or a question, but an imputation of facts.

58.Because the worst offending emails occurred in the later emails, I find the cumulative effect was such that a hypothetical reasonable reader is left with an impression that these were defamatory imputation of facts and not comments.

A matter of public interest?

59.Mr Brian Wong, counsel for the plaintiffs, argued that the defendant’s emails were not on a matter of public interest and the defence of fair comment should also fail on this ground.

60.Mr Chim, on the other hand, argued the defendant’s email went to the heart of the “right and freedom to form and joint trade unions”.

61.Whilst I agree the “right and freedom to form and joint trade unions” is of public interest, I do not agree the defendant’s email has anything to do with that right.

62.Although the defendant is the president of a trade union and the original complaints were made by union members, but the defamatory imputations in these emails stated the plaintiffs had in fact, inter alia, “witch-hunting”, created “white fear”, bullied, prosecuted, harassed, caused disturbance, intimated and oppressed teachers who expressed grievances.

63.The defendant’s emails never mentioned that the plaintiffs’ actions were directed towards union members, did or would result in restricting teachers’ right to form or joint trade unions.  The emails made defamatory imputation of facts against the plaintiffs’ acts against VTC staffs in general not union members, and had nothing to do with these staffs’ freedom to joint or form trade unions.

Conclusion

64.The defence of fair comment therefore fails.

Whether the Words were published on an occasion of qualified privilege

65.The learned authors of Gatley, at para 14.9 stated the essence of the defence of qualified privilege as follows:-

“The occasions [of qualified] privilege can never be catalogued and rendered exact but the tendency of the courts has been to regard most privileged occasions under the common law as very broadly classifiable into two categories: first, where the maker of the statement has a duty (whether legal, social or moral) to make the statement and the recipient has a corresponding interest to receive it; or, secondly, where the maker of the statement is acting in pursuance of an interest of his and the recipient has a such a corresponding interest or duty in relation to the statement, or where he is acting in a matter in which he has a common interest with the recipient.” (Emphasis added)

The defendant’s duty or interest in making the email chains

66.In paragraph 23(4) of his final submission, Mr Chim stated the defendant’s duty as follows: “He encouraged other unions to collaborate with the PTU in both the survey and the Press Conference.  He has therefore assumed the responsibility of keeping them informed so as to protect the interest of their members, who might also be the target of ‘witch-hunting’...”

67.In paragraph 24 of his final submission, Mr Chim further stated that the defendant encouraged contract staff to voice out their grievances in public.  When the defendant had reasonable grounds to believe that the VTC was trying to identify them, he was under a duty to warn them and provide them with all the information he had.  The defendant was thus under a duty to protect the staffs’ anonymity.

The recipients corresponding interest or duties to receive the emails

68.Based on Mr Chim’s final submission, if the recipients of the email chains were either ASA members, other VTC unions and their members, then the defence of qualified privilege may have a chance; however, a close examination of the list of recipients clearly revealed there were many others.

Analysis

69.First, there is a group of recipients on the mailing list known as [email protected] and there are other recipients groups known as [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], and [email protected].

70.The fact that an email dated 12 April 2011 send by the defendant invited these groups to join the ASA clearly inferred the recipients under these groups were not ASA members.

71.The recipients also included council members, the executive director, the senior deputy executive director, all three deputy executive directors, senior assistant executive director of headquarters division 1, of VTC; principal of IVE (Tsing Yi); acting head of human resources division; all of which are VTC management staffs and not ASA or other VTC union members.

72.As to other recipients like: 馮偉華(教協會長); 張文光(立法會議員及教協副會長); 梁敏儀(教協); 朱嘉妮(李鳳英議員辦事處); 鄺志堅(前立法會議員,香港工聯會法律顧問); and 李鳳英(立法會議員,職業訓練局理事會成員), Mr Chim did not mention what corresponding interest or duties they may have in receiving the emails.

73.Furthermore, defendant’s witness, Yeung testified that ASA did not owe any duty to inform disputes to other unions of VTC and other unions of VTC did not have reciprocal duty to inform ASA of their disputes with VTC.

74.Finally, in the email dated 3/5/2011, the defendant wrote: “閣下將不會收到此主旨的電郵,若先前電郵對閣下造成不安或不便,本人謹此致歉。” At the end of the same email, the defendant also stated: “若閣下仍然希望收到此主旨的電郵,請以電郵回覆[email protected]...”.

75.If the defendant had duty or interest to send the email chains to all recipients, there was no need for him to apologise for his prior emails; and there would have been no need for him to promise not to continue to send the emails.

76.Correspondently, if there was an interest or duties on the part of the recipients to receive the emails, there would have been no reason for the recipients to have to ask the defendant to continue sending them the emails.

Conclusion

77.That is the end of the defence of qualified privilege.

Whether the Words were false or the defence of Justification

78.Although it is a defence for a defendant to establish that the imputation in respect of which he is sued is substantially true, the burden of proving so is squarely on the defendant.

The Law

79.The learned authors of Gatley stated in para 11.4 stated:-

“In England and Wales and most other common law jurisdictions, a defamation imputation is presumed to be false. Therefore, the burden is on the defendant to show that the imputation is substantially true.”

80.Before we can determine whether the defendant’s imputation is true, we must first determine what was the main charge, or gist of the defendant’s libel.

81.The learned authors of Gatley , in para 11.7 stated:-

“For the purpose of justification, only the ‘substantial’ truth of the imputation must be proved. The defendant can rely on the defence of justification if he proves that ‘the main charge, or gist, of the libel’ is true. This is an objective requirement; it is the facts as they were, not the facts as they appeared to be to the defendant or some other observer that must be proved….”.

The Analysis ( P1)

82.As stated above, the words used by the defendant were too numerous to list out.  As an illustration, I will use the two phases: “witch-hunting” and creating “white terror” repeatedly used by the defendant to describe one or both plaintiffs in the emails.

83.Mr Chim, in his final submission stated these allegations are true and submitted the following as evidence.

84.For P1, Mr Chim submitted that because P1’s explanation that, when she mentioned “aliens” she meant Mr Worthington, was unbelievable; therefore what P1 said during the staff meeting on 31 March 2011 conveyed an implied message to the audience that they should not make complaints to parties outside the VTC and that amounted to “witch-hunting”.

85.Although there is considerable argument on whether P1’s speech contained one single message: not to make complaints outside the VTC; or whether it also contained other messages,  giving the defendant all possible benefits, I will assume Mr Chim is correct and P1’s speech had one single message.

86.The issue is therefore: Did that message amounted to “witch-hunting” or creating “white terror”?

87.The answer is clearly not.  

88.I have read the transcript and listened to the recording of P1’s 31 March 2011 speech numerous times.  I cannot find any part of her speech that can objectively and reasonable be interpreted as: a search for any staffs who lodged complaint, that anyone will be punished for making the complaint or amounted to suppression of dissent and public discussion.

89.P1’s speech however, did contain numerous other messages including: helping each other by developing a good mentoring system (at 23:00); promoting team spirit (at 27:00) resolving disputes by open and frank communications (at 40:00) and encouraging staffs to sound off their problems to P1 anonymously (at 58:00 and 1:00:00).

90.When considered objectively, the main charge or gist of P1’s 31/3/2011 speech was one of encouragement, of rousing an atmosphere of team spirit and resolving disputes with open dialogue, not “witch-hunting” or creating “white terror”.

The Analysis (P2)

91.For P2, Mr Chim submitted Chung’s version of the meeting between him and P2 was more creditable and therefore the defendant’s main charge or gist, that the P2 was “witch-hunting” or creating “white terror” amongst the staffs, is true.

92.Ignoring the dispute on who initiated the meeting on 1 April 2011, which is irrelevant because P2 and Chung were on good terms before this incident and Chung met in P2’s office on many prior occasions, the defendant’s burden is to prove Chung’s recollection of the conversation with P2 was correct and it amounted to “witch-hunting” or creating “white terror”.

93.The first problem encountered by the defendant is there are vital inconsistencies between Chung’s witness statement and his testimony under cross examination.

94.In paragraph 7 of his witness statement, Chung stated P2’s question centred on two matters: (1) Change of 9 teachers on one teaching post at LC/TY; and (2) Sick leave entitlement deprived.  Chung also stated the P2 asked him if he had seen a letter of complaint against her.

95.Under cross examination, Chung testified that about (1), P2 asked him in English “What do you know?”  Did that mean P2 wanted to know who made the complaint?

96.Paying close attention to the fact that P2’s question was “What” not “Who”, I cannot understand how Chung could have perceived “What do you know?” as “Who made the complaint?”  Yet Chung failed to clarify P2’s question and jumped into the conclusion that P2 was asking him about who made the complaints.

97.About (2), under cross examination, Chung testified it was his “impression” P2 wanted to know: what was said; why complaint to the press; and who made the complaint? 

98.First, Chung did not say P2 in fact asked him these questions, they were merely Chung’s “impression”.

99.Second, in Chung’s witness statement he never mentioned he had these impressions at the time he signed the witness statement on 14 November 2013.

100.Chung’s failure to include these impressions in his witness statement strongly suggested that these were impressions he did not have at the time of his witness statement, but were created subsequently. 

101.Finally, under cross examination, Chung added a third question by P2.  He said P2 asked him if a foreign staff made a complaint. This question made such an impression on Chung that he testified it as “out of the blue”.

102.Yet, Chung made no mention of this question in his witness statement.  He only stated: “Ms Qiu also asked me if I had seen a letter of complaint against her.  (I told her that I hadn’t.)”

103.I am therefore not convinced that Chung’s version of event is more creditable.  Between Chung’s version of event and P2’s version of event on 1 April 2011, I prefer P2’s version.

104.Giving the defendant all benefits of doubt, even if I find Chung’s version of event on 1 April 2011 was correct (which of course is not my finding), when considered objectively, I cannot find any part of Chung’s version of P2’s 1 April 2011 conversation can objectively and reasonable be interpreted as: a search for any staffs who lodged complaint, that anyone will be punished for making the complaint or amounted to suppression of dissent and public discussion.

Conclusion

105.The defendant’s defence of justification therefore fails.

Whether the defendant published the Words maliciously

106.It is well known that malice or absence of which, is not a defence, but if a defendant can establish a defence of qualified privilege or fair comment, this defence can be defeated by the plaintiff proving the defendant had malice (improper motive or genuine believe) when he published the email chains.

107.Lord Nicholls of Birkenhead NPJ in page 433 of Cheng (Supra), described the relationship between malice and the defence of qualified privilege as follows: -

“The rationale of the defence of qualified privilege is the law’s recognition that there are circumstances when there is a need, in the public interest, for a particular recipient to receive frank and uninhibited communication of particular information from a particular source: see Reynolds v Times Newspapers Ltd [1993] WLR 1010 at p 1017. Traditionally, these occasions have been described in terms of persons having a duty to perform or an interest to protect in providing the information. If, adopting the traditional formulation for convenience, a person’s dominant motive is not to perform this duty or protection this interest, he is outside the ambit of the defence.”

108.Lord Nicholls in page 438 of the same case, described the relationship of malice and the defence of fair comment as follows:-

“To summarise, in my view which falls within the objective limits of the defence of fair comment can lose its immunity only by proof that the defendant did not genuinely hold the view he expressed. Honesty of believe is the touchstone.”

109.As I found the defendant had failed to establish both defences, there is no need for me to consider if the defendant had improper motive or genuine believe.

Whether an injunction should be granted against the defendant

The Law

110.The learned author of Gatley, in para 9.41, stated:-

“At the trial of an action for libel, or slander actionable per se, after the jury have found the verdict for the claimant, or the judge has decided in his favour, the court has jurisdiction to grant an injunction restraining any further or future publication of the words complained of or any similar defamatory matter. The jurisdiction is not confined to cases where the defamatory words affect the trade, business or property of the claimant. The court will grant such an injunction if it is satisfied that the words are injurious to the claimant, and there is reason to apprehend further publication by the defendant….”

Is there a reasonable apprehension that the defendant will continue sending out similar emails

111.There is no dispute that the defendant has, in his solicitor’s letter dated 3 May 2012, in the Statement of Defence and his testimony during this trial, refused to apologise or to cease further publication of the Words.

112.Furthermore, under cross examination, the defendant also admitted he did not accept the written finding of the Administration Committee made under the defendant’s and the plaintiffs’ complaints pursuant to the VTC’s Complaints and Grievances Policy and Procedures and the defendant.

113.Under cross examination, the defendant made it very clear that the Administration Committee’s finding was not the end of this matter and he will bring it up again when he thinks it necessary.

114.As of the date of trial, the defendant has not appealed the Administration Committee’s findings pursuant to the Complaints and Grievances Policy and Procedures.  If not by way of appeal, the only logical inference is the defendant intends to continue publication of the Words or similar defamatory words against the plaintiffs.

115.Finally, this is not the first defamation claim against the defendant.  Mr Wong submitted that in DCCJ 4900/2011, Judgment was entered against the defendant for publishing defamatory emails.

116.The defendant clearly has a habit of using emails to publish defamatory imputations and there is a danger that he will do so in the future.  An injunction should be granted. 

General damages

117.In Hung Yuen Chan Robert v Hong Kong Standard Newspapers Ltd [1996] 4 HKC 519 Mrs Justice Le Pichonsummarised the general principles for awarding damages as follows:-

“The objective is ‘to restore the plaintiff, as far as money can do so, to the position he would have been in if the tort had not been committed.’ See Duncan & Neill, Defamation, op.cit para 18.04. Where there has been no retraction or apology, an order for damages is the only solatium available to the plaintiff.

In the recent Court of Appeal decision in Cheung Ng Sheong Steven v Eastweek Publisher Ltd [1995] 3 HKC 601, it had to consider the question of damages for libel. It accepted (at p 613D-F) the submission that :

‘… damages for libel must provide for several disparate elements, not only damage to esteem and reputation.  They also ‘must be sufficient to publicly and demonstratively and absolutely vindicate the plaintiff and to compensate for seriously injured feelings (Yu Kwong Chu v Consolidated Newspapers Ltd (A258/86, unreported) at p 30’ not only caused by the original libel but all the subsequent aggravation thereof down to the verdict, which would restore the plaintiff’s ‘pride and confidence’ (McCarey v Associated Newspapers Ltd (No 2) [1964] 3 ALL ER 947 at 958).  They must enable the plaintiff to convince a bystander the baselessness of the charge if ‘the libel driven underground, emerges from its lurking place at some future date’ (Cassell & Co v Broome [1972] 1 ALL ER 801).’”

118.Mrs Justice Le Pichon further gave the following guidance on the relevant considerations in assessing damages:-

“In assessing damages in the present case the relevant considerations include the following: the seriousness of the libel having regard to the plaintiff's position and standing; the prominence of the article and the circumstances of its publication; the conduct of thedefendants including conduct subsequent to the plaintiff's complaint; and the absence of any retraction or apology.

The injury to the plaintiff was exacerbated by the defendants' refusal to retract or apologize. Further, additional distress would have been caused by the plea of justification and fair comment …

As the circumstances of each libel are likely to differ and the factors to be taken into account depend on the facts of each individual case, it is difficult to extrapolate from previous awards unless there are significant similarities”

Aggravated damages

119.In Lee Ching v Lau May Ming [2007] 3 HKLRD 623 Poon J held:-

“The failure of the defendant to apologize or his persistence with the plea of justification may aggravate the damages : Gatley, para 9.14 at p 245; Sutcliff v Presdram Ltd [1991] 1 QB 153, per Nourse LJ at p 184E-F.

A plea of justification which is not made good at the trial may form the basis of an award of aggravated damages : Mak Shiu Tong v Yue Kwok Ying [2005] 1 HKLRD 33, per Ribeiro PJ at p. 46F-G.”

120.Mr Wong referred to and drew comparison from a number of authorities on quantum including:Hung Yuen Chan Robert v Hong Kong Standard Newspapers Ltd [1996] 4 HKC 519; Kwan Siu Wa Becky v Marla Susilo DCCJ 5396/2007; Lee Ching v Lau May Ming [2007] 3 HKLRD 623; 周啟邦律師事務所訴仔秀武 HCA 2360/2007;Boulter v Stanley [2006] 4 HKC 563.

121.I do not think much assistance can be derived from such comparison.   Each case essentially depends on its own facts.   As observed by Le Pichon J in Hung Yuen Chan Robert:-

“As the circumstance of each libel are likely to differ and the factors to be taken into account depend on the facts of each individual case, it is difficult to extrapolate from previous awards unless there are significant similarities…”

122.Here, when assessing general damages, I bear in mind the undisputed fact that the plaintiffs were long-serving, experienced, dedicated and loyal managing staffs of VTC.   But the Words seriously attacked and undermined their personality, integrity and loyalty to VTC and its staffs.  And the harm was done to them before most if not all staffs of VTC, the emails having been circulated to close to 1000 recipients.

123.Further, given the defendant’s refusal to offer any apology to the plaintiffs when he was asked to do so by the letter before action.  And the defendant’s failure to make good a plead of justification are, in the circumstances of the present case, also relevant factors that support an award of aggravated damages.

124.Having carefully considered all the circumstances, I shall award as general damages HK$200,000 and aggravated damages HK$200,000 to each of the plaintiffs.

Orders

125.I will enter judgment against the defendant:-

(1)  for the 1st plaintiff in the sum of HK$400,000 with interest at the judgment rate from the date of writ until payment;

(2)  for the 2nd plaintiff in the sum of HK$400,000 with interest at the judgment rate from the date of writ until payment; and

(3)  for both plaintiffs an injunction restraining the defendant whether by himself, his servants or agents or otherwise, howsoever, from further publishing or causing to be published the Words or similar words.

126.Finally, costs should follow the event.  I will make an order nisi that the defendantdo pay the plaintiffs the costs of the action, including any costs reserved, to be taxed if not agreed.

( Anthony Chow )
Deputy District Judge

Mr Wong Chao Wai Brian, instructed by Kwok, Ng & Chan, for the 1st and 2nd plaintiff.

Mr Carter Chim, instructed by Ho Tse Wai, Philip Li & Partners, for the defendant


Schedule A

Email Chain 1

> 寄件者: ASA Secretariat

> 寄件日期: 2011年5月22日 上午 12:46

> 收件者: CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; 李鳳英; 朱嘉妮

> 副本: ASA-Members; ASA-Recipients; ASA-EXCO; VLU-EXCO; NRPSA-EXCO;

> LRCSA-EXCO; MSU-EXCO; SCSA-EXCO; ITOGSA-EXCO; 梁敏儀; 馮偉華;

> 張文光

> 主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> 復光、鳳英姐:

> 多謝兩位仗義幫助有關同工,在局方行政委員會19/5會

> 議中為同工說項。

> 若方便的話,請告訴我們:

> 1.   語文科學術總監有沒有繼續抵賴,否認曾向下屬

> 出言不遜、魯言莽語,並誣蔑工會造假?

> 2.   局方行政委員會對學術總監那些不遜言語,裁定

> 是:恰當、不智、不道德、抑或不合法?

> 3.  會議有沒有審理LC/TY教師被主管欺壓的投訴,包

> 括有人施壓竄改PI-11分數之事?

> 4.  曾以「棄車保帥」施於人者,會否因果遁環,被

> 人「棄車保帥」?

> ASA會長

> 李壽生(Albert Li)

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: ASA Secretariat

> 寄件日期: 2011年5月19日 8:36

> 收件者: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; CHAN SAU CHING

> SUSANNA; Dr Lawrence W. Chan; LEUNG Yam-shing; Au Kam Hung, Gary; Dr

>  Michael K K FUNG; Aby LEUNG; CHAN MAN WAH; JOSALIN TSE

> 副本: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> u.hk; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> ; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];

>  CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; 朱嘉妮; 李鳳英; 梁敏儀; 馮偉華; 張

> 文光

> 主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> Dear Dr Lo and Josalin,

> The crux of this case is how witch-hunting can be prevented.  It's

> not whether witch-hunting has occurred, which in our minds is a

> truth beyond any doubt and debate.

> ASA demands for effective measures to ensure that Ms XY Qiu and Mrs

> A Poon will stop bullying or persecuting the LC/TY teachers who have

> aired grievances to VTC unions and outside parties including PTU.

> We will not stop at anything less.

> Albert Li

> ASA President

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: ASA Secretariat

> 寄件日期: 2011年5月17日 21:36

> 收件者: [email protected]; [email protected]

> 副本: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> u.hk; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> ; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; 朱嘉妮; 李鳳英; 梁敏儀; 馮偉華; 張

> 文光

> 主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> If you would like to stop receiving from this thread of emails,

> please indicate so in an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]

> >. Thank you.

> Dear all,

> The question is: Has there been witch-hunting on those LC/TY

> teachers who dare to air grievances to outside people?

> The truth is:

> 1.   HoD(LC)/TY Ms XY Qiu pressed ASA Chairman Mr Jordan Chung on

> 1 April for information relating to participation of LC/TY staff at

> the PTU press conference of 1 March

> 2.   AD(LD) Mrs A Poon spoke to LC/TY staff in a special meeting

> on 31 March intimidating them "not to expose our weaknesses to

> alien", "don't wash dirty linen in the public", etc

> 3.   Those LC/TY staff who had complained to Hon Mr Cheung Man-

> kwong, and/or had spoken up at the PTU press conference, felt

> intimidated and witch-hunted by Mrs Poon and Ms Qiu

> 4.   ASA has been acting in good faith airing staff complaints,

> and has not fabricated or distorted any evidence (as accused by Mrs

> Poon and Ms Qiu)

> Who is afraid of the truth?

> HRD's investigation report will be decided by the VTC Administration

> Committee on Thursday 19 May.

> Will justice prevail this time?

> Albert Li

> ASA President

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: Edwin KW Cheung

> 寄件日期: Tuesday, 17 May, 2011 17:34

> 收件者: 李鳳英; 朱嘉妮

> 副本: VLU-EXCO; ASA Secretariat; Edwin KW Cheung

> 主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> Dear Hon Ms Lee,

> I can confirm a group of 8 LC/TY past and current collegians had

> contacted me to file a complaint against Ms Xiao Xiu Yan/PL/LC/TY

> about her poor management. The complainants had subsequently

> contacted and made the complaint to Mr Cheung Man Kwong and Dr Fung

> Wai Wah of Professional Teachers' Union. Afterwards, these

> colleagues informed me that they felt the witch-hunt pressure from

> two LC management staff:

> 1. Ms Xiao Xiu Yan questioning of ASA Chairman Mr Jordan Chung

> 2. Mrs A. Poon (Academic Director of LC/VTC)'s speech about strong

> detergents

> Should you have further questions, please feel free to contact me 9656 9784

> .

> Regards,

> Edwin Cheung

> VTC Lecturers' Union Chairman

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: ASA Secretariat

> 寄件日期: Sunday, 15 May, 2011 13:29

> 收件者: [email protected]; [email protected]

> 副本: CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> u.hk; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> 主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> If you would like to stop receiving from this thread of emails,

> please indicate so in an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]

> >. Thank you.

> Dear all,

> In response to the accusations that the staff complaints had been

> fabricated or distorted, we sent the original complaint emails/

> letters to LegCo Councilor Ms Lee Fung-yin for the record.  Some of

> the complainant staff met Mr Cheung Fook-kwong on Friday 6 May and

> would meet Hon Ms Lee on Wednesday, which shows that the

> complainants are not fictitious.  Shame on the accusations!

> Albert Li

> ASA President

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: ASA Secretariat

> 寄件日期: Sunday, 15 May, 2011 11:42

> 收件者: 李鳳英; 朱嘉妮

> 副本: LEE KOON HUNG KEN; CHUNG Chiu Tung; CHOW TSAN SANG

> 主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> Dear Hon Ms Lee,

> Attached please find five emails/letters some VTC language teachers

> have sent to us since early April, describing the oppressions the

> teachers had suffered because they had expressed grievances against

> the management.

> We give you the original complaint documents because a management

> staff accused that we had fabricated or distorted the evidence.

> Please do not give the documents to the VTC management, lest

> identities of the complainant staff will be exposed.

> Please uphold justice when you adjudicate in the VTC Administration

> Committee meeting next week.

> Albert Li

> ASA President

> ________________________________

> From: ASA Secretariat

> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 4:28 PM

> To: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; CHAN SAU CHING SUSANNA; Dr

> Lawrence W. Chan; LEUNG Yam-shing; Au Kam Hung, Gary; Dr Michael K K

> FUNG; Aby LEUNG; CHAN MAN WAH; JOSALIN TSE

> Cc: LEE KOON HUNG KEN; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]

> '; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'

> Subject: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> Importance: High

> Dear Dr Lo and Josalin,

> I have written a response to the allegations by Mrs A. Poon made

> against me in her email of 29 April to HRD.

> Please include the first attachment in our submission to the Council

> Administration Committee.

> May I know when the Administration Committee will meet to discuss

> this issue?

> Albert Li

> ASA President

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: Albert Li

> 寄件日期: 2011年5月6日 11:56

> 收件者: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; CHAN SAU CHING

> SUSANNA; Dr Lawrence W. Chan; LEUNG Yam-shing; Dr Michael K K FUNG;

> Aby LEUNG; CHAN MAN WAH; JOSALIN TSE

> 副本: CHUNG Chiu Tung; ASA-EXCO; VLU-EXCO; NRPSA-EXCO; MSU-EXCO;

> ITOGSA-EXCO

> 主旨: FW: Complaints against ASA Member

> Dear Dr Lo and Josalin,

> Attached please find a statement made by ASA Chairman Mr Jordan

> Chung, in response to the allegation of Ms Qiu Xiao Yan that Mr

> Chung lied about the incident of 1 April 2011.  My own rebuttal

> against Ms Qiu's complaint has been submitted to you in two emails

> dated 3 May 2011.

> Please include Mr Chung's statement into our submission to the

> Council Administration Committee.

> Thanks and regards,

> Albert Li

> ASA President

> ________________________________

> From: JOSALIN TSE

> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 5:42 PM

> To: Albert Li

> Subject: RE: Complaints against ASA Member

> Importance: High

> To:  Mr Albert Li, President of ASA

> Dear Mr Li,

> Further to my email of 30 April 2011, the HRD has received another

> complaint against you from Ms Qiu Xiao Yan, PL(LC)/IVE(TY).  Please

> refer to the relevant document attached and let me have by 9 May

> 2011 your responses to the complaint, if any, so that they may be

> included in the report to the Administration Committee.

> Josalin Tse

> Ag Head/HRD

> ________________________________

> From: JOSALIN TSE

> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 4:26 PM

> To: Albert Li

> Subject: Complaints against ASA Member

> To:  Mr Albert Li, President of ASA

> Dear Mr Li,

> The HRD has received a number of complaints against your recent

> actions in connection with LC/TY.  Relevant documents are attached.

> You are invited to let me have by 9 May 2011 your responses to these

> complaints, if any, so that they may be included in the report to

> the Administration Committee.

> Josalin Tse

> Ag Head/HRD

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: ASA Secretariat

> 寄件日期: 2011年5月6日 6:30

> 收件者: 馮偉華; 張文光; 梁敏儀

> 副本: 朱嘉妮; 鄺志堅; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; [email protected]; ASA-Recip

> [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> ; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> 主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> 馮會長、張議員、梁女士:

> 職訓局教學人員協會(ASA)在4月初收到會員投訴:

>  1.

> 語文科部門主管向工會理事關門查問,查問事項涉及

> 該部門教員在教協會1/3記招中向報界申訴的說話內

> 容,包括"一個職位轉九個老師"、"短約員工的病假安

> 排"等話題。

>  2.

> 語文科學術總監召集特別員工會議,向該部門二十多

> 名教員訓話,內容令大部份同工感到不安、受擾;同

> 工當中有數位曾參與教協會記招,或曾經向張文光議

> 員投訴該部門管理層,這些同工更感到受恐嚇、受侮

> 辱。

> ASA立即向管方報案。一個月以來,同工提供更多投訴

> 事項和証據,ASA如實轉述管方。被投訴的學術總監和

> 部門主管,及另外三位同事,向管方投訴了本人。管

> 方在4月尾通知我們,人力資源科(HRD)的調查報告,將

> 會呈交局方行政委員會(Council Administration Committee)審

> 批。

> 因為事件涉及閣下和教協會,我們有責任通知閣下,

> 敬請知悉和關注。

> ASA會長

> 李壽生(Albert Li)

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: ASA Secretariat

> 寄件日期: Thursday, 5 May, 2011 10:56

> 收件者: [email protected]

> 副本: [email protected]; [email protected]; VLU-

> [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> ; [email protected]

> 主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> 各位LC/TY同工:

> 復活節假期至今,ASA收到5份電郵訴說因申訴而被孤立

> 欺壓,或被強行調職,或對職訓局失望遂拂袖而去,

> 等等。我們會將投訴信交給李鳳英議員辨事處,確認

> 正本及存檔副本,及邀請投訴人直接向鳳英姐申訴,

> 然後將投訴內容如實抄錄(保護匿名),呈交局方行政

> 委員會。

> 若您曾經因申訴不滿而受到管理層打壓,請將情况寫

> 出來交給ASA。職訓局政策是接受匿名投訴,工會定必

> 保護投訴人。只要真有其事,請您勇敢地站出來。沉

> 默不能改變事情,容忍只會助長情況惡化。

> ASA會長

> 李壽生(Albert Li)

> ________________________________

> From: ASA Secretariat

> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 6:23 PM

> To: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; CHAN SAU CHING SUSANNA; Dr

> Lawrence W. Chan; LEUNG Yam-shing; Dr Michael K K FUNG; Aby LEUNG;

> CHAN MAN WAH; JOSALIN TSE

> Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> ; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> ; [email protected]

> Subject: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> 勞博士、謝女士、各位高層:

> 多謝HRD謝女士今日(4/5)電郵,告知LC/TY部門主管投訴本

> 人。ASA及本人的回應,寫在昨日(3/5)11:57AM及12:15PM發出

> 之電郵當中,敬請細閱。

> 請將我們的回應呈交局方行政委員會審閱。謝謝。

> ASA會長

> 李壽生(Albert Li)

> ________________________________

> From: ASA Secretariat

> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 1:31 PM

> To: 鄺志堅

> Subject: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> 鄺大狀:

> 有個案涉及私穩法如下:一位領導500多名教員的學術

> 總監,召集特別員工會議給二十多名教員公開訓話,

> 沒有事先通知不得錄音,當中一名教員私下把訓話錄

> 音,並將錄音一部份用來做投訴總監的証據。若學術

> 總監引用《個人資料(私隱)條例》控告該名教員,立

> 案機會如何?該名教員若以保護自身權益為申辯理

> 由,是否可行?有何先例可以參考?

> 可否咨詢閣下法律意見,見面或用電話談談?

> ASA會長

> 李壽生(Albert Li)

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: ASA Secretariat

> 寄件日期: 2011年5月3日 23:36

> 收件者: [email protected]; [email protected]

> 副本: 朱嘉妮; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; [email protected]; VLU-

> [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> ; [email protected]

> 主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> 若閣下不想再收到此主旨的電郵,請以電郵回覆ASA-

> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>。謝謝。

> 各位ASA會員、有關教學同工:

> ASA和苦主約見李鳳英女士和張復光先生,因為兩位是

> 局方行政委員會成員。鳳英姐是勞工界立法會議員,

> 復光是職訓局工會聯會主席。

> 苦主直接向鳳英姐和復光申訴,為了爭取兩位的支

> 持,在行政委員會替員工說項,亦可証明投訴信和投

> 訴人,不是子虛烏有。

> 此外,我們會咨詢ASA義務法律顧問鄺志堅律師,他是

> 勞工法大狀,工聯會領導,也是前任立法會議員。

> 不獲最起碼的真相和公義,我們不會罷休。

> ASA會長

> 李壽生(Albert Li)

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: ASA Secretariat

> 寄件日期: 2011年5月3日 12:30

> 收件者: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; CHAN SAU CHING

> SUSANNA; Dr Lawrence W. Chan; LEUNG Yam-shing; Dr Michael K K FUNG;

> Aby LEUNG; CHAN MAN WAH; JOSALIN TSE

> 副本: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> u.hk; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> k; [email protected]; [email protected]

> 主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> 勞博士、謝女士、各位高層:

> 多謝HRD謝女士(30/4)的電郵,提醒ASA不要過激,我們接

> 受並感謝提醒。

> 就HRD在電郵中提到的四點原則和立場,以及另一電郵

> 通知有四位同事(包括語文科學術總監)投訴本人,ASA

> 及本人的回應,寫在今日11:57AM及12:15PM發出之電郵當

> 中,敬請細閱。

> 請將我們的回應呈交局方行政委員會審閱。謝謝。

> ASA會長

> 李壽生(Albert Li)

> ________________________________

> From: ASA Secretariat

> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 12:15 PM

> To: '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]

> '

> Cc: '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]

> '; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]

> '

> Subject: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> Importance: High

> 各位Term及NRP同工、CCC工會理事:

> 閣下將不會收到此主旨的電郵,若先前電郵對閣下造

> 成不安或不便,本人謹此致歉。

> 就ASA投訴有上司對下屬「出言恐嚇、欺壓逼迫」一

> 案,管方决定將HRD調查報告,呈交局方行政委員會

> (Council Administration Committee)審批,此乃公平公開的做

> 法,我們非常贊成。

> 若閣下仍然希望收到此主旨的電郵,請以電郵回覆ASA-

> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>。

> 順祝工作愉快!

> ASA會長

> 李壽生(Albert Li)

> ________________________________

> From: ASA Secretariat

> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 11:57 AM

> To: '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'

> Cc: '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]

> '; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]

> '

> Subject: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> Importance: High

> 若閣下不想再收到此主旨的電郵,請以電郵回覆ASA-

> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>。謝謝。

> 各位ASA會員、有關教學同工:

> HRD主管謝女士在30/4發放電郵,指出管方四項基本原則

> 和立場 ,收件者不具名,但文中提到某工會相信是指

> ASA。

> 電郵言辭中肯禮貌,旨在提醒工會不要過激,ASA接受

> 並感謝提醒。

> 我們的具體看法如下:

> (1)

> HRD說不會寬恕非法(unlawful)行為和演說,相信包括LC/TY

> 主管對工會理事的盤問,和學術總監對教員的演說。

> 以上司身份對下屬「出言恐嚇、欺壓逼迫」等言行,

> 若其目的是阻礙僱員參與工會活動或進行事後打壓,

> 很可能抵觸勞工法。但是,管方審視此案的準則,不

> 應只看合法性,亦需看是否合情合理。只要被投訴者

> 的言行是不合理,管方便應判投訴成立。

> (2)

> HRD說不應違反私隱法(privacy law),相信是指個別同工把

> 學術總監在會議中向二十多名教員發表的演說,未經

> 同意而錄音。這演說是集會中給很多人的公開訓話,

> 不是單對單的私人傾談,錄音是否抵觸《個人資料(私

> 隱)條例》,ASA會諮詢法律意見,能否立案有待考究。

> 無論如何,我們認為這是受逼迫同工的無奈之舉,源

> 於對管理層的失望、不信任和恐懼。

> 管方應體恤同工苦况,並正視核心問題:以上司身份

> 對下屬「出言恐嚇、欺壓逼迫」是否比錄音更不道

> 德?此外,在2010-11學年的PI-11問卷調查中,近三成(六

> 位)教員給部門管理非常低的分數,令平均數跌至5.51

> 分,當中四位被施壓要求更改分數 ,此事校方己查証

> 屬實。事件多少反映部門怎樣處理員工不滿,亦解釋

> 為何員工不信任部門主管。

> 萬一管方「律民以嚴、待已以寬」,甚或認同事主追

> 打員工錄音之事,這樣做的話,實在難以服眾,ASA必

> 會極力反對。

> (3)

> ASA用電郵發放消息,目的絕非煩擾或冒犯他人(harass

> or offend others)。學術總監的冒犯他人說話,轉載自同

> 工投訴來郵,或抄錄自同工的錄音碟,全是如實紀

> 錄,絕非無中生有。ASA轉載員工的投訴,沒有對被投

> 訴者作誣告陷害、蓄意誹謗 ,也沒有對任何人作言語

> 暴力、人身攻擊。對投訴的論述,出自集體良心,乃

> 工會肺腑之言。把事件公開,是要追求真相公義。沒

> 有將個案轉介往其他機構或人士,只因相信首長級高

> 層,以及局方行政委員會(Council Administration Committee),

> 應會主持公道。

> 若說ASA煩擾或冒犯了被投訴者,我們坦然接受,因為

> 我們沒有惡意針對任何人,為同工申訴而得罪權貴,

> 我們問心無愧。弱勢社群面對強權欺壓,公開事件往

> 往是唯一的有效方法。若管方IT政策禁止工會使用電

> 郵發放消息,工會必定抗爭到底。

> (4)

> 管方對這項投訴的判决是否公正無私(objective and

> impartial),會否因被投訴者位高權重而官官相衛,員工

> 拭目以待。因涉及教協會記招和立法會議員,事件嚴

> 重、情况特殊。管方將會把HRD的調查報告,呈交行政

> 委員會决定。讓多位獨立社會知名人士審核報告,是

> 公平公開的做法,ASA多謝管方接納我們(24/4)的建議。

> 看到外界報導職訓局有不良制度和文化,令教職員長

> 期受壓被迫忍氣吞聲,ASA是恨鐵不成鋼。我們認為,

> 公正無私的裁决、公平公開的過程,才是守護職訓局

> 名聲的最好方法。

> ASA擇善固執,一貫忠言逆耳,繼續向管方反映同工心

> 聲。在這投訴事件上,我們保持原則、堅守立場:追

> 求最起碼的真相和公義,從不要求懲處任何人,但一

> 定要保護同工,不再受到欺壓逼迫、秋後算賬。

> 懇請管方正視問題,還員工一個公道,以守護職訓局

> 名聲。管方中正無私,才能一言而萬民齊。局內上下

> 一心,才能面對未來挑戰。

> 公道自在人心 !

> ASA會長

> 李壽生(Albert Li)

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: JOSALIN TSE

> 寄件日期: Saturday, 30 April, 2011 9:53

> 收件者: Undisclosed Recipients

> 主旨: Complaints concerning LC/TY

> Dear colleagues,

> I refer to the series of emails in relation to the recent complaints

> concerning the Language Centre of IVE(Tsing Yi) (“LC/TY”)

> referred by a staff union complaining against an Academic Director a

> nd the management of LC/TY, as well as a number of complaints from i

> ndividual staff members against a member of that staff union.

> These complaints are being investigated.  HRD has paid a number of

> visits to the Tsing Yi Campus and interviewed 31 LC/TY teaching

> staff individually to gather information on the complaints.

> Arrangements will be made for the report on these complaints be

> presented to the Administration Committee for a decision.  Parties

> concerned will be notified of Administration Committee’s decision in

>  due course.

> We have also received comments from colleagues who feel disturbed by

> the chain of e-mails sent to them on the matter.  We must take the

> opportunity to state some fundamental principles and the management’

> s position –

> (1)  VTC does not condone any unlawful acts and speeches.

> (2)  VTC fully respects freedom of speech, but this has to be

> exercised in an ethical and law-abiding manner.  In no circumstances

> should the privacy law be breached.

> (3)  VTC has a clear policy on the use of its IT resources.

> Staff should comply with the guidelines under this policy among

> which VTC emails accounts cannot be used for broadcasting messages

> which are likely to harass or offend others (paragraph 8d of “Undert

> aking & Acceptable Use Policy of VTC IT Resources”.).

> (4)  VTC has established system and procedures for dealing with

> complaints, which are investigated and ruled on objectively and

> impartially, irrespective of the background and status of the

> complainant and the complainee.

> Josalin Tse

> Acting Head of Human Resources Division

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: ASA Secretariat

> 寄件日期: Wednesday, 27 April, 2011 20:35

> 收件者: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; CHAN SAU CHING

> SUSANNA; Dr Lawrence W. Chan; LEUNG Yam-shing; Dr Michael K K FUNG;

> Aby LEUNG; CHAN MAN WAH; JOSALIN TSE

> 副本: CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu Tung;

> FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong Anna [S

> BI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik; WONG

> Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG SIU MAY

> ; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart CHENG

> ; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI PENG; L

> I PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WONG YIN

>  TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG MIAO; [email protected]

> ; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> ; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> ; [email protected]; HUI CHI KWONG JACKSON; LEE KOON HUNG KEN;

> Ir. CHAN Chi Ming (CN/MH); CHENG TAI MAN; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; SUNG PO

>  KWONG SUNNY; SZE WING CHEONG; SHEK KA FAI, Jeff; CHEUNG Wai-kin Ken

> t; Joan CHUNG; Leung Wai Shing George; CHEUNG CHUN MING; LAM LUNG CH

> UEN FRANCIS; CHAN KA LIN KAREN; Edwin KW Cheung; LEUNG KING YUEN; LA

> M KWOK KEI,George

> 主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> 謝女士:

> 多謝閣下今午來電,建議工會將意見經HRD轉告首長級

> 高層。請恕工會難以從命。

> 工會尊重HRD的地位和角色,亦相信閣下會如實傳訊予

> 高層,只是事件嚴重、情况特殊,工會才僭越向首長

> 級高層直接表達意見。

> 若DED(A)何小姐未克抽空接見工會代表,我們願意等候

> SDED勞博士放假回來後再商議會談之事。

> ASA會長

> 李壽生(Albert Li)

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: ASA Secretariat

> 寄件日期: 2011年4月26日 21:57

> 收件者: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; CHAN SAU CHING

> SUSANNA; Dr Lawrence W. Chan; LEUNG Yam-shing; Dr Michael K K FUNG;

> Aby LEUNG; CHAN MAN WAH; JOSALIN TSE

> 副本: CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu Tung;

> FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong Anna [S

> BI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik; WONG

> Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG SIU MAY

> ; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart CHENG

> ; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI PENG; L

> I PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WONG YIN

>  TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG MIAO; [email protected]

> ; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> ; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> ; [email protected]; HUI CHI KWONG JACKSON; LEE KOON HUNG KEN;

> Ir. CHAN Chi Ming (CN/MH); CHENG TAI MAN; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; SUNG PO

>  KWONG SUNNY; SZE WING CHEONG; SHEK KA FAI, Jeff; CHEUNG Wai-kin Ken

> t; Joan CHUNG; Leung Wai Shing George; CHEUNG CHUN MING; LAM LUNG CH

> UEN FRANCIS; CHAN KA LIN KAREN; Edwin KW Cheung; LEUNG KING YUEN; LA

> M KWOK KEI,George

> 主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> 勞博士、各位高層:

> 多謝HRD陳女士來電告知SDED勞博士因放假兩週而未克與

> 工會見面。但事件進程頗快,工會請DED(A)何小姐考慮

> 暫代勞博士出席會議,因為她是看守語文學科的首長

> 級高層。

> 工會要求與首長級高層見面,因為事件較為嚴重,亦

> 因為被投訴者的職位高至院長級。與會的員工代表約

> 10人來自4至6個工會,我們希望表達對事件的關注和期

> 盼。

> 謝謝管方對工會訴求的迅速回應。

> ASA會長

> 李壽生(Albert Li)

> 註:復活節公眾假期的數天內,工會收到3份電郵訴說

> 因申訴而被孤立欺壓,被強行調職,或對VTC失望遂拂

> 袖而去。

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: ASA Secretariat

> 寄件日期: 2011年4月24日 11:45 AM

> 收件者: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; CHAN SAU CHING

> SUSANNA; Dr Lawrence W. Chan; LEUNG Yam-shing; Dr Michael K K FUNG;

> Aby LEUNG; CHAN MAN WAH; JOSALIN TSE

> 副本: CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu Tung;

> FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong Anna [S

> BI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik; WONG

> Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG SIU MAY

> ; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart CHENG

> ; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI PENG; L

> I PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WONG YIN

>  TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG MIAO; [email protected]

> ; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> ; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> ; [email protected]; HUI CHI KWONG JACKSON; LEE KOON HUNG KEN;

> Ir. CHAN Chi Ming (CN/MH); CHENG TAI MAN; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; SUNG PO

>  KWONG SUNNY; SZE WING CHEONG; SHEK KA FAI, Jeff; CHEUNG Wai-kin Ken

> t; Joan CHUNG; Leung Wai Shing George; CHEUNG CHUN MING; LAM LUNG CH

> UEN FRANCIS; CHAN KA LIN KAREN; Edwin KW Cheung; LEUNG KING YUEN; LA

> M KWOK KEI,George

> 主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> 勞博士、各位高層:

> 有17/4電郵訴說同工被逼迫而辭職(請看夾附郵件),據

> 說該同工是LC/TY合約教員並曾向HRD和教協會投訴部門

> 主管。

> 明目張膽地向下屬出言恐嚇,己是不能接受的行為。

> 若因投訴而孤立和打壓下屬,這種逼迫行為,更非工

> 會所能容忍。

> 建議管方成立以Council Member為首的獨立委員會深入調

> 查事件,因為「出言恐嚇、打壓逼迫」是嚴重的控

> 訴,况且事件涉及教協會記招和立法會議員。

> 公正無私的裁决,才是守護職訓局名聲的最好方法。

> ASA會長

> 李壽生(Albert Li)

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: ASA Secretariat

> 寄件日期: Thursday, 21 April, 2011 8:24 AM

> 收件者: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; CHAN SAU CHING

> SUSANNA; Dr Lawrence W. Chan; LEUNG Yam-shing; Dr Michael K K FUNG;

> Aby LEUNG; CHAN MAN WAH; JOSALIN TSE

> 副本: CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu Tung;

> FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong Anna [S

> BI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik; WONG

> Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG SIU MAY

> ; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart CHENG

> ; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI PENG; L

> I PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WONG YIN

>  TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG MIAO; [email protected]

> ; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> ; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> ; HUI CHI KWONG JACKSON; LEE KOON HUNG KEN; Ir. CHAN Chi Ming (CN/MH

> ); CHENG TAI MAN; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; SUNG PO KWONG SUNNY; SZE WING C

> HEONG; SHEK KA FAI, Jeff; CHEUNG Wai-kin Kent; Joan CHUNG; Leung Wai

>  Shing George; CHEUNG CHUN MING; LAM LUNG CHUEN FRANCIS; CHAN KA LIN

>  KAREN; Edwin KW Cheung; LEUNG KING YUEN; LAM KWOK KEI,George

> 主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> 勞博士、各位高層:

> 向ASA求助的語文科教師全是合約員工,曾在教協會1/3

> 記者招待會站台或向報舘記者說話,並曾向張文光議

> 員申訴部門主管的欺壓。ASA認為學術總監在31/3特別會

> 議中對同工的恐嚇,及部門主管在1/4對工會理事鐘朝

> 東先生的盤問,絕非偶然,必定與教協會記招和張文

> 光議員有關。

> 這事件非常嚴重,管方必須公正無私地調查,還員工

> 一個遲來的公道、不再受逼迫的保証。

> 請您主持公道。

> ASA會長

> 李壽生(Albert Li)

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: Albert Li

> 寄件日期: 2011年4月19日 20:27

> 收件者: CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu

> Tung; FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong A

> nna [SBI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik;

>  WONG Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG S

> IU MAY; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart

>  CHENG; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI P

> ENG; LI PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WO

> NG YIN TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG

>  MIAO; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> ; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> ; HUI CHI KWONG JACKSON; LEE KOON HUNG KEN; Ir. CHAN Chi Ming (CN/MH

> ); CHENG TAI MAN; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; SUNG PO KWONG SUNNY; SZE WING C

> HEONG; SHEK KA FAI, Jeff; CHEUNG Wai-kin Kent; Joan CHUNG; Leung Wai

>  Shing George; CHEUNG CHUN MING; LAM LUNG CHUEN FRANCIS; CHAN KA LIN

>  KAREN; Edwin KW Cheung; LEUNG KING YUEN; LAM KWOK KEI,George

> 副本: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; CHAN SAU CHING SUSANNA;

> Dr Lawrence W. Chan; LEUNG Yam-shing; Dr Michael K K FUNG; Aby LEUNG

> ; CHAN MAN WAH; JOSALIN TSE

> 主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> 各位LC/TY同工、ASA會員、VTC工會理事:

> 以下文字是我們從錄音碟所聽到而抄寫下來:

> 24:33-26:00

> We want trustworthy partners… If you don’t want to work as a

> team… I would stab your back, you want the front or the back?… 你

> 想喺前面插定背脊插,如果有人插你… Which way is more

> comfortable?... 好好笑咩?… I prefer to have it in front, so I

> can see you, so I know you’re my enemy.  If you stab me in the back,

>  I can’t see you, then I’m not comfortable…

> 27:20 – 29:02

> Not to expose our weaknesses to aliens, do you know what I mean by

> aliens, aliens, E.T., from outer space… We don’t wash dirty linen

> in public… we wash it in the toilet… I am very good at washing

> dirty linens… I have a lot of good detergent... 唔好去洗衣舖

> 洗,可能愈洗愈汚糟…

> 33:00 – 33:25

> A word about work… Don’t worry about workload… You worry about

> having no work… 忙都好過冇嘢做吖,忙咪好囉,好過冇

> 工做…

> 管方想聽錄音碟,可以去函教協會查詢。不要推說同

> 工錄音的對錯,要「知恥而後勇,知不足而後强」。

> 我們看在眼裏,痛在心裏!

> ASA現任會長 李壽生 (Albert Li)

> ASA前任會長 李冠雄 (Ken Lee)

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: Albert Li

> 寄件日期: 2011年4月19日 6:59 AM

> 收件者: [email protected]; [email protected]; NRPSA-

> [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> ; HUI CHI KWONG JACKSON; LEE KOON HUNG KEN; Ir. CHAN Chi Ming (CN/MH

> ); CHENG TAI MAN; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; SUNG PO KWONG SUNNY; SZE WING C

> HEONG; SHEK KA FAI, Jeff; CHEUNG Wai-kin Kent; Joan CHUNG; Leung Wai

>  Shing George; CHEUNG CHUN MING; LAM LUNG CHUEN FRANCIS; CHAN KA LIN

>  KAREN; Edwin KW Cheung; LEUNG KING YUEN; LAM KWOK KEI,George

> 主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> 各位VTC工會理事:

> 教協會的網上調查,1200職訓局員工大吐苦水,300項書

> 面意見怒氣冲天,當中多少源自語文學科裏的溝通失

> 效、逼迫打壓?

> 當管理層及人事部疲於奔命,推出「理順方案」安撫

> 短期合約員工,那邊廂語文學科領導卻出言恐嚇,企

> 圖令同工噤若寒蟬。

> 面對同工被欺壓,工會能不憤慨?擇善固執,繼續忠

> 言逆耳,底線是保護弱勢員工、力抗剷除異己。

> ASA會長

> 李壽生(Albert Li)

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: Albert Li

> 寄件日期: Sunday, 17 April, 2011 19:45

> 收件者: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; Dr Michael K K FUNG;

> LEUNG Yam-shing; Aby LEUNG; CHAN MAN WAH; JOSALIN TSE

> 副本: CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu Tung;

> FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong Anna [S

> BI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik; WONG

> Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG SIU MAY

> ; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart CHENG

> ; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI PENG; L

> I PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WONG YIN

>  TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG MIAO; [email protected]

> ; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> ; HUI CHI KWONG JACKSON; LEE KOON HUNG KEN; Ir. CHAN Chi Ming (CN/MH

> ); CHENG TAI MAN; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; SUNG PO KWONG SUNNY; SZE WING C

> HEONG; SHEK KA FAI, Jeff; CHEUNG Wai-kin Kent; Joan CHUNG; Leung Wai

>  Shing George; CHEUNG CHUN MING; LAM LUNG CHUEN FRANCIS; CHAN KA LIN

>  KAREN; Edwin KW Cheung; LEUNG KING YUEN; LAM KWOK KEI,George

> 主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> 勞博士、各位高層:

> 獨裁主管的特徵是容不下異已,並打壓投訴者。他們

> 行使強權,以逼迫恐嚇方法使下屬懼怕,用孤立分化

> 手段令下屬彼此猜忌。從這次事件可以看到,弱勢員

> 工的投訴一旦被壓倒,獨裁主管立即沾沾自喜,更變

> 本加厲,大肆出言恐嚇。

> 相信這情況是冰封三尺非一日之寒,恐怕該部門的員

> 工士氣和團隊穩定被腐蝕己久。ASA希望高層管理採取

> 有效措施,幫助弱勢員工,防止被有關學術總監和部

> 門主管「剷除異己」。

> 請您主持公道。

> ASA會長

> 李壽生(Albert Li)

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: QQQ

> 寄件日期: 2011年4月17日 9:31 AM

> 收件者: Albert Li

> 主旨: fearful of further witch-hunting

> Dear Albert,

> I am afraid mere promise is NOT a definite guarantee if they are

> still in higher position.

> We have colleagues forced to quit with increased workload and

> alienation in the office recently.

> Regards,

> Q

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: Albert Li

> 寄件日期: 2011年4月17日 8:28 AM

> 收件者: CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu

> Tung; FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong A

> nna [SBI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik;

>  WONG Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG S

> IU MAY; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart

>  CHENG; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI P

> ENG; LI PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WO

> NG YIN TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG

>  MIAO

> 副本: ASA-Members; ASA-EXCO; VLU-EXCO; NRPSA-EXCO; MSU-EXCO; SCSA-

> EXCO; ITOGSA-EXCO; HUI CHI KWONG JACKSON; LEE KOON HUNG KEN; Ir. CHA

> N Chi Ming (CN/MH); CHENG TAI MAN; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; SUNG PO KWONG

> SUNNY; SZE WING CHEONG; SHEK KA FAI, Jeff; CHEUNG Wai-kin Kent; Joan

>  CHUNG; Leung Wai Shing George; CHEUNG CHUN MING; LAM LUNG CHUEN FRA

> NCIS; CHAN KA LIN KAREN; Edwin KW Cheung; LEUNG KING YUEN; LAM KWOK

> KEI,George

> 主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> Dear all,

> Three colleagues called me yesterday and insisted that I say this to

> all of you: AD(LD)'s speech and HoD(LC)/TY's questioning were

> intentional, their wrongs were done for the purpose of oppressing

> staff.

> Their supporting arguments were:

> 1.  Two language teachers appeared upfront in the PTU press

> conference of 1 March 2011 and about five other language teachers

> were amongst the audience.  One ERO staff member showed up uninvited

> at the press conference and, for at least fifteen minutes before she

> was politely asked to leave, she had heard and might have noted down

> what the language teachers said to PTU staff and the newspaper

> reporters.  HoD(LC)/TY’s questioning of ASA chairman Mr Jordan Chung

>  was intentional and directly related to the PTU press conference.

> 2.  Several LC/TY teaching staff had complained against LC/TY

> management to then DED(OP) Miss Annie Ho through VTC Lecturers’ Unio

> n in December 2010 without success, and later through PTU to LegCo C

> ouncilor Cheung Man-kwong.  Before the management returned its writt

> en verdict on 31 March 2011, some of the complainant staff had resig

> ned “due to witch-hunt and oppression”. The speech of AD(LD) Mrs

> A Poon on "effective communication" was given to LC/TY but not other

>  LC departments; it was a follow-up action intimidating LC/TY staff

> not to "talk to aliens”, not to “wash dirty linen in the

> public”, etc.

> ASA's demands remain the same:

> 3.  We ask for a verdict to say that AD(LD) and HoD(LC)/TY were

> wrong in hurting the staff's feelings; we do not need the management

> to tell us why they did it.

> 4.  We ask for an assurance by the top management that VTC

> staff will not be persecuted for airing their grievances; we need

> not ask if any persecution has happened and if so whether the

> persecutor has been punished.

> We ask for the minimum truth and the minimum justice.  Above the

> minimum, 公道自在人心。

> Regards,

> Albert Li

> ASA President

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: Albert Li

> 寄件日期: 2011年4月15日 19:56

> 收件者: CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu

> Tung; FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong A

> nna [SBI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik;

>  WONG Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG S

> IU MAY; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart

>  CHENG; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI P

> ENG; LI PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WO

> NG YIN TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG

>  MIAO

> 副本: [email protected]; [email protected]; VLU-

> [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; HUI CHI

>  KWONG JACKSON; LEE KOON HUNG KEN; Ir. CHAN Chi Ming (CN/MH); CHENG

> TAI MAN; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; SUNG PO KWONG SUNNY; SZE WING CHEONG; SH

> EK KA FAI, Jeff; CHEUNG Wai-kin Kent; Joan CHUNG; Leung Wai Shing Ge

> orge; CHEUNG CHUN MING; LAM LUNG CHUEN FRANCIS; CHAN KA LIN KAREN; E

> dwin KW Cheung; LEUNG KING YUEN; LAM KWOK KEI,George

> 主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> Dear LC/TY colleagues,

> ASA has done our part in lodging the complaint, presenting the case

> as best we can, and exposing it to the relevant staff groups.  Now

> we await, with patience and hope, a just verdict from the senior

> management.

> We do not demand for apology or punishment of anyone, but we sternly

> ask for:

> 1.  a clear verdict that AD(LD) and HoD(LC)/TY were wrong on 31

> March in causing disturbance, harassment and intimidation to staff

> 2.  an assurance from the top management that no VTC staff will

> be disadvantaged in any way for their lawful right to air staff

> grievances

> We ask these for the sake of truth and justice, and we will not stop

> at anything less.

> Regards,

> Albert Li

> ASA President

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: Albert Li

> 寄件日期: 2011年4月15日 8:15 AM

> 收件者: [email protected]; [email protected]; VLU-

> [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; HUI CHI

> KWONG JACKSON; LEE KOON HUNG KEN; Ir. CHAN Chi Ming (CN/MH); CHENG

> TAI MAN; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; SUNG PO KWONG SUNNY; SZE WING CHEONG; SH

> EK KA FAI, Jeff; CHEUNG Wai-kin Kent; Joan CHUNG; Leung Wai Shing Ge

> orge; CHEUNG CHUN MING; LAM LUNG CHUEN FRANCIS; CHAN KA LIN KAREN; E

> dwin KW Cheung; LEUNG KING YUEN; LAM KWOK KEI,George

> 主旨: FW: 請支持教協會簽名行動

> 各位ASA會員、VTC工會理事:

> 夾附《教協報》文章提及,教協會簽名運動收集了667

> 個簽名,這數字己經很好,多謝各位參與和推動。

> ASA在4月初代表數位同工,向HRD投訴有主管及學術總監

> 企圖對同工「秋後算賬」,SDED和HRD現正調查事件。

> ASA會長

> 李壽生 (Albert Li)

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: Albert Li

> 寄件日期: 2011年4月14日 15:46

> 收件者: CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu

> Tung; FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong A

> nna [SBI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik;

> WONG Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG S

> IU MAY; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart

>  CHENG; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI P

> ENG; LI PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WO

> NG YIN TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG

>  MIAO

> 副本: JOSALIN TSE; CHAN MAN WAH; LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah

> Annie; Dr Michael K K FUNG; LEUNG Yam-shing; Aby LEUNG; ASA-EXCO; VL

> U-EXCO; NRPSA-EXCO; MSU-EXCO; SCSA-EXCO; ITOGSA-EXCO

> 主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> Dear LC/TY colleagues,

> Attached for your reference is an article in PTU News《教協報》

> written by PTU Chariman Dr Fung Wai-wah.  We hope this article could

> encourage the LC/TY colleagues who feel being hunted for airing the

> ir grievances, and others aggrieved by the discipline management in

> other ways.  At the end of the day, the truth cannot be buried and j

> ustice will prevail.

> ASA is hopeful that a just verdict will come from the senior

> management.

> Albert Li

> ASA President

> ________________________________

> From: Albert Li

> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 6:01 AM

> To: JOSALIN TSE; CHAN MAN WAH

> Cc: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; Dr Michael K K FUNG; LEUNG

> Yam-shing; Aby LEUNG; CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE;

> CHUNG Chiu Tung; FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE

> Sau-fong Anna [SBI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN;

> WONG wai pik; WONG Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai,

> Angela; YEUNG SIU MAY; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN

> CHUN CHUEN; Mart CHENG; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU;

> LAU MUNG HA; LI PENG; LI PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG

> YU TING, RUBY; WONG YIN TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica;

> Leonard YIP; ZHANG MIAO; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> ; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

> Subject: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> Importance: High

> Dear Josalin and Jacqueline,

> May we suggest that your investigation probes into the feelings of

> different groups:

> 1.  Relevant unionists who have participated in the PTU press

> conference or have supported staff's complaint against the LC/TY

> management

> 2.  Relevant LC/TY teaching staff who have participated in the

> PTU press conference or have complained against LC/TY management to

> VTC unions or outside bodies

> 3.  LC/TY teaching staff other than those of (2)

> 4.  Reasonable persons who fictitously could listen to AD(LD)'s

> speech to staff and HoD(LC)/TY's questioning of unionist

> ASA's complaint is about witch-hunts in terms of "relevant" staff

> being disturbed, harassed or intimidated.  These are subjective

> attributes which depend on the status of the listener.  A listener

> who has complained the management, and one who has not, will react

> quite differently to the same speech or questioning.

> Regards,

> Albert Li

> ASA President

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: Albert Li

> 寄件日期: Monday, 11 April, 2011 17:15

> 收件者: JOSALIN TSE

> 副本: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; Dr Michael K K FUNG;

> LEUNG Yam-shing; Aby LEUNG; CHAN MAN WAH; CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING

> ; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu Tung; FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT;

>  Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong Anna [SBI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI];

>  LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik; WONG Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN;

>  YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG SIU MAY; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU mi

> ng kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart CHENG; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KW

> OK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI PENG; LI PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN

> NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WONG YIN TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing See

> n, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG MIAO; ASA-EXCO; VLU-EXCO; NRPSA-EXCO;

> MSU-EXCO; SCSA-EXCO; ITOGSA-EXCO

> 主旨: RE: LC/TY Meeting on 31 March 2011

> Dear Josalin,

> Thank you for clarifying that HoD(LC)/TY Ms XY Qiu was not present

> during "individual" interviews.  We apology for transmitting

> inaccurate information about the individual interviews.  However, we

> are given to understand that Ms Qiu was present when you selected or

> announced the interviewees on 8 April.  Why was her presence

> necessary?  Would it not cause unnecessary anxiety amongst the

> teachers to be interviewed?  Our complaint of witch-hunts at LC/TY

> is against AD(LD)'s intimidating speech of 31 March, as well as HoD

> (LC)/TY's inappropriate questioning of ASA chairman Mr Jordan Chung

> (who was one of the interviewees).  It was inappropriate of Ms Qiu

> to be present in any of your investigation meetings of 8 April.

> Regards,

> Albert

> ________________________________

> From: JOSALIN TSE

> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 3:16 PM

> To: Albert Li

> Cc: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; Dr Michael K K FUNG; LEUNG

> Yam-shing; Aby LEUNG; CHAN MAN WAH; CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING;

> CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu Tung; FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT;

> Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong Anna [SBI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI];

> LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik; WONG Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN;

> YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG SIU MAY; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU

> ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart CHENG; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI;

> KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI PENG; LI PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora;

> SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WONG YIN TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing

> Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG MIAO; ASA-EXCO; VLU-EXCO; NRPSA-

> EXCO; MSU-EXCO; SCSA-EXCO; ITOGSA-EXCO

> Subject: LC/TY Meeting on 31 March 2011

> Dear Albert,

> I refer to your series of emails concerning the LC/TY meeting held

> on 31 March 2011.

> In order to gather information on what had happened at the meeting

> of 31 March 2011, I paid a visit to LC/TY last Friday, 8 April

> 2011.  A short meeting was held with teachers of LC/TY to inform

> them of the purpose of my visit.  Since it was not possible to

> interview each of the teachers who were present at the 31 March

> meeting in one afternoon, a random sample of LC/TY teaching staff

> consisted of various ranks was invited to join an interview with me

> individually and they had been assured that all information

> collected would be treated in confidence.  You may wish to note that

> PL(LC)/TY was not present at any of the individual interviews.

> It is Council's policy to maintain a work environment that is free

> from harassment.  Relevant parties to the complaint should be given

> the opportunity to present their cases and respond to the

> allegations.  After the HRD has gathered all the facts and responses

> from relevant parties to the complaint, we shall present our

> findings to the management for consideration and decision on the

> follow up actions appropriate.  Staff concerned will also be

> notified of the result.

> Josalin Tse

> Acting Head/HRD

> ________________________________

> From: Albert Li

> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:31 AM

> To: CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu Tung; FAN

> PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong Anna [SBI];

> LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik; WONG Wing

> Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; WEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG SIU MAY;

> YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart CHENG;

> CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI PENG; LI

> PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WONG YIN

> TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG MIAO

> Cc: '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]

> '; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]

> '

> Subject: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> Importance: High

> Dear all,

> No. of respondents

> 1.  There were 16 valid returns from amongst 35 teaching staff.  The

> response rate was 46%.

> 2.  Four returns were invalidated because they were exactly the same

> and were sent from the same fax number within one minute of each

> other.

> Summary of responses

> 3.  All the respondents indicated that the quoted statements had

> been said by AD(LD).

> 4.  The respondents indicated that they were disturbed (75%),

> harassed (81%), intimidated (94%), etc.

> 5.  43% of the respondents expressed their discontent using grave

> words like 驚恐, scared, demotivated, insulted, angry, hurting,

> unethical, etc.

> Comments

> 6.  Not all the respondents were directly affected in that they had

> aired grievance to unions or other bodies. Most of them responded

> simply because of their discontent with the message itself.

> 7.  The above survey results were the consequence (not the cause) of

> the staff's discontent and their distrust with the management.

> 8.  The discipline management should focus on solving the problem

> per se, not hunting the persons who pointed out the problem.

> Regards,

> Albert Li

> ASA President

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: Albert Li

> 寄件日期: Thursday, 7 April, 2011 4:41 AM

> 收件者: CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu

> Tung; FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong A

> nna [SBI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik;

>  WONG Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG S

> IU MAY; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart

>  CHENG; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI P

> ENG; LI PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WA

> NG JIAO; WONG YIN TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard

>  YIP; ZHANG MIAO

> 副本: JOSALIN TSE; Aby LEUNG; LEUNG Yam-shing; Ho Siu Wah Annie;

> ASA-EXCO; VLU-EXCO; NRPSA-EXCO; MSU-EXCO; SCSA-EXCO; ITOGSA-EXCO

> 主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> Dear LC/TY colleagues,

> If you have attended the special meeting on 31 March in which AD(LD)

> Mrs A Poon spoke to you about "effective communication", please

> answer the following questions:

> 1.  Did Mrs Poon say something like these: "You must not talk to

> aliens... do you know the word ET..."; "I have strong detergent and

> good at washing dirty linen. Don't wash dirty linen in public".

> □ Yes 16/16  □ No 0/16  □ Not sure  0/16

> 2.  How did you feel about any part or the whole of Mrs Poon's

> speech?

> □ Intimidated 15/16   □ Harassed 13/16  □ Disturbed 12/16

> □ Comforted 0/16  □ Encouraged 0/16

> □ Other (please specify):_________________  7/16: angry, outrageous

> , hurting, demotivated, unethical, insulted, scared, 驚恐

> Background to these questions: ASA has complained to HRD on behalf

> of several anonymous staff that there could be "witch-hunting (秋後

> 算賬)" of LC/TY staff who aired their grievances on issues relating

> to the PTU press conference of 1 March 2011 and subsequent newspaper

>  reports.  Union must protect members and staff against persecution

> for their selfless act of airing staff grievances. Please read the

> emails below.

> Kindly answer the above two questions and reply to me by email [email protected]

> <mailto:[email protected]> or by fax 2432-2253, preferably before noon

> Friday 8 April 2011.

> Please trust me: I will protect your anonymity. Staff unity is

> power, your concerted action is power-squared.  Your response to

> this suvrey will help protect yourself.

> Albert Li

> ASA President

> 9843-9928

> ________________________________

> From: Albert Li

> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 7:28 PM

> To: JOSALIN TSE; Aby LEUNG

> Cc: CHUNG Chiu Tung; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]

> '; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]

> '

> Subject: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> Dear Josalin and Aby,

> There was feedback just now from LC/TY staff that most of them did

> not know of the staff meeting tomorrow (7/4).

> If the meeting is to look into whether a significant portion of the

> staff felt disturbed / harassed / intimidated by Mrs A Poon in the

> special meeting last week (31/3), then:

>  (a)  the majority if not all of LC/TY staff who attended the

> meeting should be asked

>  (b)  they should be asked in such a way that they feel comfortable

> to speak freely

> How many of the relevant LC/TY staff will be interviewed tomorrow?

> Was the selection done openly in front of all the relevant staff?

> Given the above reservations, it would not be appropriate for Jordan

> (Chung) and I to attend the interview tomorrow.

> Regards,

> Albert

> ________________________________

> From: CHUNG Chiu Tung

> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 4:24 PM

> To: Aby LEUNG

> Cc: Albert Li

> Subject: The Meeting Proposed by HRD

> Dear Aby

> Thanks a million for your relaying of Josalin's proposal to meet

> with me concerning the LC/TY Staff Meeting held on 31 March 2011

> (Thursday).

> Here I deem it appropriate for the HRD to invite the President of

> ASA to the proposed Meeting in addition to my presence.

> Thank you.

> Best regards

> Jordan CHUNG

> Chairman

> ASA

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: Albert Li

> 寄件日期: 2011年4月3日 9:14

> 收件者: ASA-EXCO; VLU-EXCO; NRPSA-EXCO; MSU-EXCO; SCSA-EXCO;

> ITOGSA-EXCO

> 副本: POON LEE Sau Lai; Ho Siu Wah Annie; LEUNG Yam-shing; JOSALIN T

> SE

> 主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> Dear union friends,

> Staff concern about witch-hunting at Language Discipline is well

> founded.  Please read the email below.  How could an Academic

> Director say such intimidating words to teachers? It is

> particularly disappointing because Mrs A. Poon used to be the vice-

> chairman of a teachers' union.  Instead of oppressing staff, she

> should be much more tolerant and broad-minded (包容) of staff

> airing their grievances.

> One thing I like about what she said: "I prefer people to stab me in

> front not in the back".  Hence I copy this email to her.  Mrs Poon

> is welcomed to rise to this open challenge.

> Regards,

> Albert

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: XXX

> 寄件日期: 2011年4月2日 22:20

> 收件者: Albert Li

> 主旨: AP

> Dear Albert,

> Thanks very much for helping LC staff.

> I am member of ASA and one of the teaching staff in last Thursday's

> (31/3 at TY C446 ) meetiing. I choose not to release my name as

> others,

> I don't want to be witch-hunted. XYQ has been doing this for years to

> individual teachers.

> AP's attitude, the choice of word, etc. has insulted language staff of

> TY/LC. Below is some of her exact wording:

> . LC staff need to be trustworthy

> . I prefer people to stab me in front NOT in the back

> . VTC English teachers have terrible grammar

> . You must not talk to aliens --- do you know the word ET....

> . I have strong detergent and good at washing dirty linen. Don't wash

> dirty linen in public

> She said that she had been working in VTC for over 25 year. Can you

> believe, VTC can stand her for 25 years? For me, "5 days" is too long!

> XXX

> ________________________________

> From: Albert Li

> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:42 AM

> To: JOSALIN TSE; POON LEE Sau Lai

> Cc: Ho Siu Wah Annie; LEUNG Yam-shing; ASA-Members; ASA-EXCO; VLU-

> EXCO; NRPSA-EXCO; MSU-EXCO; SCSA-EXCO; ITOGSA-EXCO

> Subject: FW: No witch-hunting please...

> Dear Mrs Tse and Mrs Poon,

> The suspected witch-hunt is of grave concern to us because language

> teachers have stepped forward in the PTU press conference.  Another

> cause of concern is the special meeting at LC/TY this Thursday.  AD

> (LD) told the teaching staff something like this: "Dirty linen

> should not be shown to outside people... I am an expert in washing

> dirty clothes... I have lots of detergent..." Many colleagues felt

> the message disturbing or harassing.

> Unions must protect members and staff against persecution for their

> selfless act in stepping forward to air staff grievances.

> Albert

> ________________________________

> 寄件者: Albert Li

> 寄件日期: 2011年4月1日 23:46

> 收件者: JOSALIN TSE; POON LEE Sau Lai

> 副本: Ho Siu Wah Annie; LEUNG Yam-shing; ASA-Members; ASA-EXCO; VLU-

> EXCO; NRPSA-EXCO; MSU-EXCO; SCSA-EXCO; ITOGSA-EXCO

> 主旨: No witch-hunting please...

> Dear Mrs Tse and Mrs Poon,

> This afternoon ASA Chairman Mr Jordan Chung was asked by his

> department head Ms Qiu Xiao-yan to go into her office.  Door closed,

> Mr Chung was questioned for half an hour on the staff grievance

> issues that had been reported in the newspaper following the press

> conference held by Professional Teachers' Union. The questions were

> about: (a) the change of 9 teachers on 1 "post"; (b) the sick leave

> of Term staff.  Mr Chung clearly remembered Ms Qiu saying "I suppose

> you should know what happened behind the scenes."  It was no casual

> talk.

> Was it a witch-hunt on ASA or the department? Digging into a

> specific department will cause white terror amongst the staff.

> Singling out a union chairman for questioning on heated issues is

> unwise and unacceptable.  The VTC management should focus on solving

> the problem per se, not hunting the persons who pointed out the

> problem.

> ASA strongly demands Ms Qiu to immediately stop questioning her

> department's staff or union executives on matters relating to the

> PTU press conference or subsequent newspaper reports.  Mr Chung was

> obliged to report the unfortunate incident to ASA executive

> committee, and ASA is obliged to protect members and staff from

> possible witch-hunt.

> Your assistance on this matter will be greatly appreciated.

> Albert Li

> ASA President

> <Albert Li's Supplementary Statement - 12 May 2011.pdf>

> <Jordan Chung's Statement-5 May 2011 - A.pdf>

> <教協報 11-4 沉默無聲比剝削更可怕.pdf>

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寄件者: ASA Secretariat

寄件日期: 2011年5月18日 下午 09:33

收件者: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; CHAN SAU CHING SUSANNA; Dr Lawrence W. Chan; LEUNG Yam-shing; Au Kam Hung, Gary; Dr Michael K K FUNG; Aby LEUNG; CHAN MAN WAH; JOSALIN TSE

副本: ASA-Members; ASA-Recipients; ASA-EXCO; VLU-EXCO; NRPSA-EXCO; LRCSA-EXCO; MSU-EXCO; SCSA-EXCO; ITOGSA-EXCO; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; 朱嘉妮; 李鳳英; 梁敏儀; 馮偉華; 張文光

主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

Dear Dr Lo and Josalin,

The crux of this case is how witch-hunting can be prevented.  It's not whether witch-hunting has occurred, which in our minds is a truth beyond any doubts and debates.

ASA demands for effective measures to ensure that Ms XY Qiu and Mrs A Poon will stop bullying or persecuting the LC/TY teachers who have aired grievances to VTC unions and outside parties including PTU.

We will not stop at anything less.

Albert Li

ASA President

________________________________

寄件者: ASA Secretariat

寄件日期: 2011年5月17日 21:36

收件者: [email protected]; [email protected]

副本: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; 朱嘉妮; 李鳳英; 梁敏儀; 馮偉華; 張文光

主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

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Dear all,

The question is: Has there been witch-hunting on those LC/TY teachers who dare to air grievances to outside people?

The truth is:

1.   HoD(LC)/TY Ms XY Qiu pressed ASA Chairman Mr Jordan Chung on 1 April for information relating to participation of LC/TY staff at the PTU press conference of 1 March

2.   AD(LD) Mrs A Poon spoke to LC/TY staff in a special meeting on 31 March intimidating them "not to expose our weaknesses to alien", "don't wash dirty linen in the public", etc

3.   Those LC/TY staff who had complained to Hon Mr Cheung Man-kwong, and/or had spoken up at the PTU press conference, felt intimidated and witch-hunted by Mrs Poon and Ms Qiu

4.   ASA has been acting in good faith airing staff complaints, and has not fabricated or distorted any evidence (as accused by Mrs Poon and Ms Qiu)

Who is afraid of the truth?

HRD's investigation report will be decided by the VTC Administration Committee on Thursday 19 May.

Will justice prevail this time?

Albert Li

ASA President

________________________________

寄件者: Edwin KW Cheung

寄件日期: Tuesday, 17 May, 2011 17:34

收件者: 李鳳英; 朱嘉妮

副本: VLU-EXCO; ASA Secretariat; Edwin KW Cheung

主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

Dear Hon Ms Lee,

I can confirm a group of 8 LC/TY past and current collegians had contacted me to file a complaint against Ms Xiao Xiu Yan/PL/LC/TY about her poor management. The complainants had subsequently contacted and made the complaint to Mr Cheung Man Kwong and Dr Fung Wai Wah of Professional Teachers' Union. Afterwards, these colleagues informed me that they felt the witch-hunt pressure from two LC management staff:

1. Ms Xiao Xiu Yan questioning of ASA Chairman Mr Jordan Chung 2. Mrs A. Poon (Academic Director of LC/VTC)'s speech about strong detergents

Should you have further questions, please feel free to contact me 9656 9784.

Regards,

Edwin Cheung

VTC Lecturers' Union Chairman

________________________________

寄件者: ASA Secretariat

寄件日期: Sunday, 15 May, 2011 13:29

收件者: [email protected]; [email protected]

副本: CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

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Dear all,

In response to the accusations that the staff complaints had been fabricated or distorted, we sent the original complaint emails/letters to LegCo Councilor Ms Lee Fung-yin for the record.  Some of the complainant staff met Mr Cheung Fook-kwong on Friday 6 May and would meet Hon Ms Lee on Wednesday, which shows that the complainants are not fictitious.  Shame on the accusations!

Albert Li

ASA President

________________________________

寄件者: ASA Secretariat

寄件日期: Sunday, 15 May, 2011 11:42

收件者: 李鳳英; 朱嘉妮

副本: LEE KOON HUNG KEN; CHUNG Chiu Tung; CHOW TSAN SANG

主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

Dear Hon Ms Lee,

Attached please find five emails/letters some VTC language teachers have sent to us since early April, describing the oppressions the teachers had suffered because they had expressed grievances against the management.

We give you the original complaint documents because a management staff accused that we had fabricated or distorted the evidence. Please do not give the documents to the VTC management, lest identities of the complainant staff will be exposed.

Please uphold justice when you adjudicate in the VTC Administration Committee meeting next week.

Albert Li

ASA President

________________________________

From: ASA Secretariat

Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 4:28 PM

To: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; CHAN SAU CHING SUSANNA; Dr Lawrence W. Chan; LEUNG Yam-shing; Au Kam Hung, Gary; Dr Michael K K FUNG; Aby LEUNG; CHAN MAN WAH; JOSALIN TSE

Cc: LEE KOON HUNG KEN; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'

Subject: FW: No witch-hunting please...

Importance: High

Dear Dr Lo and Josalin,

I have written a response to the allegations by Mrs A. Poon made against me in her email of 29 April to HRD.

Please include the first attachment in our submission to the Council Administration Committee.

May I know when the Administration Committee will meet to discuss this issue?

Albert Li

ASA President

________________________________

寄件者: Albert Li

寄件日期: 2011年5月6日 11:56

收件者: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; CHAN SAU CHING SUSANNA; Dr Lawrence W. Chan; LEUNG Yam-shing; Dr Michael K K FUNG; Aby LEUNG; CHAN MAN WAH; JOSALIN TSE

副本: CHUNG Chiu Tung; ASA-EXCO; VLU-EXCO; NRPSA-EXCO; MSU-EXCO; ITOGSA-EXCO

主旨: FW: Complaints against ASA Member

Dear Dr Lo and Josalin,

Attached please find a statement made by ASA Chairman Mr Jordan Chung, in response to the allegation of Ms Qiu Xiao Yan that Mr Chung lied about the incident of 1 April 2011.  My own rebuttal against Ms Qiu's complaint has been submitted to you in two emails dated 3 May 2011.

Please include Mr Chung's statement into our submission to the Council Administration Committee.

Thanks and regards,

Albert Li

ASA President

________________________________

From: JOSALIN TSE

Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 5:42 PM

To: Albert Li

Subject: RE: Complaints against ASA Member

Importance: High

To:  Mr Albert Li, President of ASA

Dear Mr Li,

Further to my email of 30 April 2011, the HRD has received another complaint against you from Ms Qiu Xiao Yan, PL(LC)/IVE(TY).  Please refer to the relevant document attached and let me have by 9 May 2011 your responses to the complaint, if any, so that they may be included in the report to the Administration Committee.

Josalin Tse

Ag Head/HRD

________________________________

From: JOSALIN TSE

Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 4:26 PM

To: Albert Li

Subject: Complaints against ASA Member

To:  Mr Albert Li, President of ASA

Dear Mr Li,

The HRD has received a number of complaints against your recent actions in connection with LC/TY.  Relevant documents are attached.  You are invited to let me have by 9 May 2011 your responses to these complaints, if any, so that they may be included in the report to the Administration Committee.

Josalin Tse

Ag Head/HRD

________________________________

寄件者: ASA Secretariat

寄件日期: 2011年5月6日 6:30

收件者: 馮偉華; 張文光; 梁敏儀

副本: 朱嘉妮; 鄺志堅; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

馮會長、張議員、梁女士:

職訓局教學人員協會(ASA)在4月初收到會員投訴:

1.

語文科部門主管向工會理事關門查問,查問事項涉及該部門教員在教協會1/3記招中向報界申訴的說話內容,包括"一個職位轉九個老師"、"短約員工的病假安排"等話題。

2.

語文科學術總監召集特別員工會議,向該部門二十多名教員訓話,內容令大部份同工感到不安、受擾;同工當中有數位曾參與教協會記招,或曾經向張文光議員投訴該部門管理層,這些同工更感到受恐嚇、受侮辱。

ASA立即向管方報案。一個月以來,同工提供更多投訴事項和証據,ASA如實轉述管方。被投訴的學術總監和部門主管,及另外三位同事,向管方投訴了本人。管方在4月尾通知我們,人力資源科(HRD)的調查報告,將會呈交局方行政委員會(Council Administration Committee)審批。

因為事件涉及閣下和教協會,我們有責任通知閣下,敬請知悉和關注。

ASA會長

李壽生(Albert Li)

________________________________

寄件者: ASA Secretariat

寄件日期: Thursday, 5 May, 2011 10:56

收件者: [email protected]

副本: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

各位LC/TY同工:

復活節假期至今,ASA收到5份電郵訴說因申訴而被孤立欺壓,或被強行調職,或對職訓局失望遂拂袖而去,等等。我們會將投訴信交給李鳳英議員辨事處,確認正本及存檔副本,及邀請投訴人直接向鳳英姐申訴,然後將投訴內容如實抄錄(保護匿名),呈交局方行政委員會。

若您曾經因申訴不滿而受到管理層打壓,請將情况寫出來交給ASA。職訓局政策是接受匿名投訴,工會定必保護投訴人。只要真有其事,請您勇敢地站出來。沉默不能改變事情,容忍只會助長情況惡化。

ASA會長

李壽生(Albert Li)

________________________________

From: ASA Secretariat

Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 6:23 PM

To: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; CHAN SAU CHING SUSANNA; Dr Lawrence W. Chan; LEUNG Yam-shing; Dr Michael K K FUNG; Aby LEUNG; CHAN MAN WAH; JOSALIN TSE

Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

Subject: FW: No witch-hunting please...

勞博士、謝女士、各位高層:

多謝HRD謝女士今日(4/5)電郵,告知LC/TY部門主管投訴本人。ASA及本人的回應,寫在昨日(3/5)11:57AM及12:15PM發出之電郵當中,敬請細閱。

請將我們的回應呈交局方行政委員會審閱。謝謝。

ASA會長

李壽生(Albert Li)

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From: ASA Secretariat

Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 1:31 PM

To: 鄺志堅

Subject: FW: No witch-hunting please...

鄺大狀:

有個案涉及私穩法如下:一位領導500多名教員的學術總監,召集特別員工會議給二十多名教員公開訓話,沒有事先通知不得錄音,當中一名教員私下把訓話錄音,並將錄音一部份用來做投訴總監的証據。若學術總監引用《個人資料(私隱)條例》控告該名教員,立案機會如何?該名教員若以保護自身權益為申辯理由,是否可行?有何先例可以參考?

可否咨詢閣下法律意見,見面或用電話談談?

ASA會長

李壽生(Albert Li)

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寄件者: ASA Secretariat

寄件日期: 2011年5月3日 23:36

收件者: [email protected]; [email protected]

副本: 朱嘉妮; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

若閣下不想再收到此主旨的電郵,請以電郵回覆[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>。謝謝。

各位ASA會員、有關教學同工:

ASA和苦主約見李鳳英女士和張復光先生,因為兩位是局方行政委員會成員。鳳英姐是勞工界立法會議員,復光是職訓局工會聯會主席。

苦主直接向鳳英姐和復光申訴,為了爭取兩位的支持,在行政委員會替員工說項,亦可証明投訴信和投訴人,不是子虛烏有。

此外,我們會咨詢ASA義務法律顧問鄺志堅律師,他是勞工法大狀,工聯會領導,也是前任立法會議員。

不獲最起碼的真相和公義,我們不會罷休。

ASA會長

李壽生(Albert Li)

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寄件者: ASA Secretariat

寄件日期: 2011年5月3日 12:30

收件者: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; CHAN SAU CHING SUSANNA; Dr Lawrence W. Chan; LEUNG Yam-shing; Dr Michael K K FUNG; Aby LEUNG; CHAN MAN WAH; JOSALIN TSE

副本: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

勞博士、謝女士、各位高層:

多謝HRD謝女士(30/4)的電郵,提醒ASA不要過激,我們接受並感謝提醒。

就HRD在電郵中提到的四點原則和立場,以及另一電郵通知有四位同事(包括語文科學術總監)投訴本人,ASA及本人的回應,寫在今日11:57AM及12:15PM發出之電郵當中,敬請細閱。

請將我們的回應呈交局方行政委員會審閱。謝謝。

ASA會長

李壽生(Albert Li)

________________________________

From: ASA Secretariat

Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 12:15 PM

To: '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'

Cc: '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'

Subject: FW: No witch-hunting please...

Importance: High

各位Term及NRP同工、CCC工會理事:

閣下將不會收到此主旨的電郵,若先前電郵對閣下造成不安或不便,本人謹此致歉。

就ASA投訴有上司對下屬「出言恐嚇、欺壓逼迫」一案,管方决定將HRD調查報告,呈交局方行政委員會(Council Administration Committee)審批,此乃公平公開的做法,我們非常贊成。

若閣下仍然希望收到此主旨的電郵,請以電郵回覆[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>。

順祝工作愉快!

ASA會長

李壽生(Albert Li)

________________________________

From: ASA Secretariat

Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 11:57 AM

To: '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'

Cc: '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'

Subject: FW: No witch-hunting please...

Importance: High

若閣下不想再收到此主旨的電郵,請以電郵回覆[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>。謝謝。

各位ASA會員、有關教學同工:

HRD主管謝女士在30/4發放電郵,指出管方四項基本原則和立場 ,收件者不具名,但文中提到某工會相信是指ASA。

電郵言辭中肯禮貌,旨在提醒工會不要過激,ASA接受並感謝提醒。

我們的具體看法如下:

(1) HRD說不會寬恕非法(unlawful)行為和演說,相信包括LC/TY主管對工會理事的盤問,和學術總監對教員的演說。以上司身份對下屬「出言恐嚇、欺壓逼迫」等言行,若其目的是阻礙僱員參與工會活動或進行事後打壓,很可能抵觸勞工法。但是,管方審視此案的準則,不應只看合法性,亦需看是否合情合理。只要被投訴者的言行是不合理,管方便應判投訴成立。

(2) HRD說不應違反私隱法(privacy law),相信是指個別同工把學術總監在會議中向二十多名教員發表的演說,未經同意而錄音。這演說是集會中給很多人的公開訓話,不是單對單的私人傾談,錄音是否抵觸《個人資料(私隱)條例》,ASA會諮詢法律意見,能否立案有待考究。無論如何,我們認為這是受逼迫同工的無奈之舉,源於對管理層的失望、不信任和恐懼。

管方應體恤同工苦况,並正視核心問題:以上司身份對下屬「出言恐嚇、欺壓逼迫」是否比錄音更不道德?此外,在2010-11學年的PI-11問卷調查中,近三成(六位)教員給部門管理非常低的分數,令平均數跌至5.51分,當中四位被施壓要求更改分數 ,此事校方己查証屬實。事件多少反映部門怎樣處理員工不滿,亦解釋為何員工不信任部門主管。

萬一管方「律民以嚴、待已以寬」,甚或認同事主追打員工錄音之事,這樣做的話,實在難以服眾,ASA必會極力反對。

(3) ASA用電郵發放消息,目的絕非煩擾或冒犯他人(harass or offend others)。學術總監的冒犯他人說話,轉載自同工投訴來郵,或抄錄自同工的錄音碟,全是如實紀錄,絕非無中生有。ASA轉載員工的投訴,沒有對被投訴者作誣告陷害、蓄意誹謗 ,也沒有對任何人作言語暴力、人身攻擊。對投訴的論述,出自集體良心,乃工會肺腑之言。把事件公開,是要追求真相公義。沒有將個案轉介往其他機構或人士,只因相信首長級高層,以及局方行政委員會(Council Administration Committee),應會主持公道。

若說ASA煩擾或冒犯了被投訴者,我們坦然接受,因為我們沒有惡意針對任何人,為同工申訴而得罪權貴,我們問心無愧。弱勢社群面對強權欺壓,公開事件往往是唯一的有效方法。若管方IT政策禁止工會使用電郵發放消息,工會必定抗爭到底。

(4) 管方對這項投訴的判决是否公正無私(objective and impartial),會否因被投訴者位高權重而官官相衛,員工拭目以待。因涉及教協會記招和立法會議員,事件嚴重、情况特殊。管方將會把HRD的調查報告,呈交行政委員會决定。讓多位獨立社會知名人士審核報告,是公平公開的做法,ASA多謝管方接納我們(24/4)的建議。看到外界報導職訓局有不良制度和文化,令教職員長期受壓被迫忍氣吞聲,ASA是恨鐵不成鋼。我們認為,公正無私的裁决、公平公開的過程,才是守護職訓局名聲的最好方法。

ASA擇善固執,一貫忠言逆耳,繼續向管方反映同工心聲。在這投訴事件上,我們保持原則、堅守立場:追求最起碼的真相和公義,從不要求懲處任何人,但一定要保護同工,不再受到欺壓逼迫、秋後算賬。

懇請管方正視問題,還員工一個公道,以守護職訓局名聲。管方中正無私,才能一言而萬民齊。局內上下一心,才能面對未來挑戰。

公道自在人心 !

ASA會長

李壽生(Albert Li)

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寄件者: JOSALIN TSE

寄件日期: Saturday, 30 April, 2011 9:53

收件者: Undisclosed Recipients

主旨: Complaints concerning LC/TY

Dear colleagues,

I refer to the series of emails in relation to the recent complaints concerning the Language Centre of IVE(Tsing Yi) (“LC/TY”) referred by a staff union complaining against an Academic Director and the management of LC/TY, as well as a number of complaints from individual staff members against a member of that staff union.

These complaints are being investigated.  HRD has paid a number of visits to the Tsing Yi Campus and interviewed 31 LC/TY teaching staff individually to gather information on the complaints.  Arrangements will be made for the report on these complaints be presented to the Administration Committee for a decision.  Parties concerned will be notified of Administration Committee’s decision in due course.

We have also received comments from colleagues who feel disturbed by the chain of e-mails sent to them on the matter.  We must take the opportunity to state some fundamental principles and the management’s position –

(1)  VTC does not condone any unlawful acts and speeches.

(2)  VTC fully respects freedom of speech, but this has to be exercised in an ethical and law-abiding manner.  In no circumstances should the privacy law be breached.

(3)  VTC has a clear policy on the use of its IT resources.  Staff should comply with the guidelines under this policy among which VTC emails accounts cannot be used for broadcasting messages which are likely to harass or offend others (paragraph 8d of “Undertaking & Acceptable Use Policy of VTC IT Resources”.).

(4)  VTC has established system and procedures for dealing with complaints, which are investigated and ruled on objectively and impartially, irrespective of the background and status of the complainant and the complainee.

Josalin Tse

Acting Head of Human Resources Division

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寄件者: ASA Secretariat

寄件日期: Wednesday, 27 April, 2011 20:35

收件者: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; CHAN SAU CHING SUSANNA; Dr Lawrence W. Chan; LEUNG Yam-shing; Dr Michael K K FUNG; Aby LEUNG; CHAN MAN WAH; JOSALIN TSE

副本: CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu Tung; FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong Anna [SBI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik; WONG Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG SIU MAY; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart CHENG; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI PENG; LI PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WONG YIN TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG MIAO; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; HUI CHI KWONG JACKSON; LEE KOON HUNG KEN; Ir. CHAN Chi Ming (CN/MH); CHENG TAI MAN; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; SUNG PO KWONG SUNNY; SZE WING CHEONG; SHEK KA FAI, Jeff; CHEUNG Wai-kin Kent; Joan CHUNG; Leung Wai Shing George; CHEUNG CHUN MING; LAM LUNG CHUEN FRANCIS; CHAN KA LIN KAREN; Edwin KW Cheung; LEUNG KING YUEN; LAM KWOK KEI,George

主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

謝女士:

多謝閣下今午來電,建議工會將意見經HRD轉告首長級高層。請恕工會難以從命。

工會尊重HRD的地位和角色,亦相信閣下會如實傳訊予高層,只是事件嚴重、情况特殊,工會才僭越向首長級高層直接表達意見。

若DED(A)何小姐未克抽空接見工會代表,我們願意等候SDED勞博士放假回來後再商議會談之事。

ASA會長

李壽生(Albert Li)

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寄件者: ASA Secretariat

寄件日期: 2011年4月26日 21:57

收件者: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; CHAN SAU CHING SUSANNA; Dr Lawrence W. Chan; LEUNG Yam-shing; Dr Michael K K FUNG; Aby LEUNG; CHAN MAN WAH; JOSALIN TSE

副本: CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu Tung; FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong Anna [SBI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik; WONG Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG SIU MAY; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart CHENG; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI PENG; LI PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WONG YIN TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG MIAO; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; HUI CHI KWONG JACKSON; LEE KOON HUNG KEN; Ir. CHAN Chi Ming (CN/MH); CHENG TAI MAN; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; SUNG PO KWONG SUNNY; SZE WING CHEONG; SHEK KA FAI, Jeff; CHEUNG Wai-kin Kent; Joan CHUNG; Leung Wai Shing George; CHEUNG CHUN MING; LAM LUNG CHUEN FRANCIS; CHAN KA LIN KAREN; Edwin KW Cheung; LEUNG KING YUEN; LAM KWOK KEI,George

主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

勞博士、各位高層:

多謝HRD陳女士來電告知SDED勞博士因放假兩週而未克與工會見面。但事件進程頗快,工會請DED(A)何小姐考慮暫代勞博士出席會議,因為她是看守語文學科的首長級高層。

工會要求與首長級高層見面,因為事件較為嚴重,亦因為被投訴者的職位高至院長級。與會的員工代表約10人來自4至6個工會,我們希望表達對事件的關注和期盼。

謝謝管方對工會訴求的迅速回應。

ASA會長

李壽生(Albert Li)

註:復活節公眾假期的數天內,工會收到3份電郵訴說因申訴而被孤立欺壓,被強行調職,或對VTC失望遂拂袖而去。

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寄件者: ASA Secretariat

寄件日期: 2011年4月24日 11:45 AM

收件者: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; CHAN SAU CHING SUSANNA; Dr Lawrence W. Chan; LEUNG Yam-shing; Dr Michael K K FUNG; Aby LEUNG; CHAN MAN WAH; JOSALIN TSE

副本: CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu Tung; FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong Anna [SBI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik; WONG Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG SIU MAY; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart CHENG; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI PENG; LI PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WONG YIN TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG MIAO; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; HUI CHI KWONG JACKSON; LEE KOON HUNG KEN; Ir. CHAN Chi Ming (CN/MH); CHENG TAI MAN; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; SUNG PO KWONG SUNNY; SZE WING CHEONG; SHEK KA FAI, Jeff; CHEUNG Wai-kin Kent; Joan CHUNG; Leung Wai Shing George; CHEUNG CHUN MING; LAM LUNG CHUEN FRANCIS; CHAN KA LIN KAREN; Edwin KW Cheung; LEUNG KING YUEN; LAM KWOK KEI,George

主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

勞博士、各位高層:

有17/4電郵訴說同工被逼迫而辭職(請看夾附郵件),據說該同工是LC/TY合約教員並曾向HRD和教協會投訴部門主管。

明目張膽地向下屬出言恐嚇,己是不能接受的行為。若因投訴而孤立和打壓下屬,這種逼迫行為,更非工會所能容忍。

建議管方成立以Council Member為首的獨立委員會深入調查事件,因為「出言恐嚇、打壓逼迫」是嚴重的控訴,况且事件涉及教協會記招和立法會議員。

公正無私的裁决,才是守護職訓局名聲的最好方法。

ASA會長

李壽生(Albert Li)

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寄件者: ASA Secretariat

寄件日期: Thursday, 21 April, 2011 8:24 AM

收件者: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; CHAN SAU CHING SUSANNA; Dr Lawrence W. Chan; LEUNG Yam-shing; Dr Michael K K FUNG; Aby LEUNG; CHAN MAN WAH; JOSALIN TSE

副本: CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu Tung; FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong Anna [SBI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik; WONG Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG SIU MAY; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart CHENG; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI PENG; LI PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WONG YIN TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG MIAO; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; HUI CHI KWONG JACKSON; LEE KOON HUNG KEN; Ir. CHAN Chi Ming (CN/MH); CHENG TAI MAN; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; SUNG PO KWONG SUNNY; SZE WING CHEONG; SHEK KA FAI, Jeff; CHEUNG Wai-kin Kent; Joan CHUNG; Leung Wai Shing George; CHEUNG CHUN MING; LAM LUNG CHUEN FRANCIS; CHAN KA LIN KAREN; Edwin KW Cheung; LEUNG KING YUEN; LAM KWOK KEI,George

主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

勞博士、各位高層:

向ASA求助的語文科教師全是合約員工,曾在教協會1/3記者招待會站台或向報舘記者說話,並曾向張文光議員申訴部門主管的欺壓。ASA認為學術總監在31/3特別會議中對同工的恐嚇,及部門主管在1/4對工會理事鐘朝東先生的盤問,絕非偶然,必定與教協會記招和張文光議員有關。

這事件非常嚴重,管方必須公正無私地調查,還員工一個遲來的公道、不再受逼迫的保証。

請您主持公道。

ASA會長

李壽生(Albert Li)

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寄件者: Albert Li

寄件日期: 2011年4月19日 20:27

收件者: CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu Tung; FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong Anna [SBI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik; WONG Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG SIU MAY; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart CHENG; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI PENG; LI PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WONG YIN TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG MIAO; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; HUI CHI KWONG JACKSON; LEE KOON HUNG KEN; Ir. CHAN Chi Ming (CN/MH); CHENG TAI MAN; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; SUNG PO KWONG SUNNY; SZE WING CHEONG; SHEK KA FAI, Jeff; CHEUNG Wai-kin Kent; Joan CHUNG; Leung Wai Shing George; CHEUNG CHUN MING; LAM LUNG CHUEN FRANCIS; CHAN KA LIN KAREN; Edwin KW Cheung; LEUNG KING YUEN; LAM KWOK KEI,George

副本: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; CHAN SAU CHING SUSANNA; Dr Lawrence W. Chan; LEUNG Yam-shing; Dr Michael K K FUNG; Aby LEUNG; CHAN MAN WAH; JOSALIN TSE

主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

各位LC/TY同工、ASA會員、VTC工會理事:

以下文字是我們從錄音碟所聽到而抄寫下來:

24:33-26:00

We want trustworthy partners… If you don’t want to work as a team… I would stab your back, you want the front or the back?… 你想喺前面插定背脊插,如果有人插你… Which way is more comfortable?... 好好笑咩?… I prefer to have it in front, so I can see you, so I know you’re my enemy.  If you stab me in the back, I can’t see you, then I’m not comfortable…

27:20 – 29:02

Not to expose our weaknesses to aliens, do you know what I mean by aliens, aliens, E.T., from outer space… We don’t wash dirty linen in public… we wash it in the toilet… I am very good at washing dirty linens… I have a lot of good detergent... 唔好去洗衣舖洗,可能愈洗愈汚糟…

33:00 – 33:25

A word about work… Don’t worry about workload… You worry about having no work… 忙都好過冇嘢做吖,忙咪好囉,好過冇工做…

管方想聽錄音碟,可以去函教協會查詢。不要推說同工錄音的對錯,要「知恥而後勇,知不足而後强」。我們看在眼裏,痛在心裏!

ASA現任會長 李壽生 (Albert Li)

ASA前任會長 李冠雄 (Ken Lee)

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寄件者: Albert Li

寄件日期: 2011年4月19日 6:59 AM

收件者: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; HUI CHI KWONG JACKSON; LEE KOON HUNG KEN; Ir. CHAN Chi Ming (CN/MH); CHENG TAI MAN; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; SUNG PO KWONG SUNNY; SZE WING CHEONG; SHEK KA FAI, Jeff; CHEUNG Wai-kin Kent; Joan CHUNG; Leung Wai Shing George; CHEUNG CHUN MING; LAM LUNG CHUEN FRANCIS; CHAN KA LIN KAREN; Edwin KW Cheung; LEUNG KING YUEN; LAM KWOK KEI,George

主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

各位VTC工會理事:

教協會的網上調查,1200職訓局員工大吐苦水,300項書面意見怒氣冲天,當中多少源自語文學科裏的溝通失效、逼迫打壓?

當管理層及人事部疲於奔命,推出「理順方案」安撫短期合約員工,那邊廂語文學科領導卻出言恐嚇,企圖令同工噤若寒蟬。

面對同工被欺壓,工會能不憤慨?擇善固執,繼續忠言逆耳,底線是保護弱勢員工、力抗剷除異己。

ASA會長

李壽生(Albert Li)

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寄件者: Albert Li

寄件日期: Sunday, 17 April, 2011 19:45

收件者: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; Dr Michael K K FUNG; LEUNG Yam-shing; Aby LEUNG; CHAN MAN WAH; JOSALIN TSE

副本: CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu Tung; FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong Anna [SBI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik; WONG Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG SIU MAY; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart CHENG; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI PENG; LI PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WONG YIN TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG MIAO; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; HUI CHI KWONG JACKSON; LEE KOON HUNG KEN; Ir. CHAN Chi Ming (CN/MH); CHENG TAI MAN; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; SUNG PO KWONG SUNNY; SZE WING CHEONG; SHEK KA FAI, Jeff; CHEUNG Wai-kin Kent; Joan CHUNG; Leung Wai Shing George; CHEUNG CHUN MING; LAM LUNG CHUEN FRANCIS; CHAN KA LIN KAREN; Edwin KW Cheung; LEUNG KING YUEN; LAM KWOK KEI,George

主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

勞博士、各位高層:

獨裁主管的特徵是容不下異已,並打壓投訴者。他們行使強權,以逼迫恐嚇方法使下屬懼怕,用孤立分化手段令下屬彼此猜忌。從這次事件可以看到,弱勢員工的投訴一旦被壓倒,獨裁主管立即沾沾自喜,更變本加厲,大肆出言恐嚇。

相信這情況是冰封三尺非一日之寒,恐怕該部門的員工士氣和團隊穩定被腐蝕己久。ASA希望高層管理採取有效措施,幫助弱勢員工,防止被有關學術總監和部門主管「剷除異己」。

請您主持公道。

ASA會長

李壽生(Albert Li)

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寄件者: QQQ

寄件日期: 2011年4月17日 9:31 AM

收件者: Albert Li

主旨: fearful of further witch-hunting

Dear Albert,

I am afraid mere promise is NOT a definite guarantee if they are still in higher position.

We have colleagues forced to quit with increased workload and alienation in the office recently.

Regards,

Q

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寄件者: Albert Li

寄件日期: 2011年4月17日 8:28 AM

收件者: CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu Tung; FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong Anna [SBI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik; WONG Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG SIU MAY; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart CHENG; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI PENG; LI PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WONG YIN TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG MIAO

副本: ASA-Members; ASA-EXCO; VLU-EXCO; NRPSA-EXCO; MSU-EXCO; SCSA-EXCO; ITOGSA-EXCO; HUI CHI KWONG JACKSON; LEE KOON HUNG KEN; Ir. CHAN Chi Ming (CN/MH); CHENG TAI MAN; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; SUNG PO KWONG SUNNY; SZE WING CHEONG; SHEK KA FAI, Jeff; CHEUNG Wai-kin Kent; Joan CHUNG; Leung Wai Shing George; CHEUNG CHUN MING; LAM LUNG CHUEN FRANCIS; CHAN KA LIN KAREN; Edwin KW Cheung; LEUNG KING YUEN; LAM KWOK KEI,George

主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

Dear all,

Three colleagues called me yesterday and insisted that I say this to all of you: AD(LD)'s speech and HoD(LC)/TY's questioning were intentional, their wrongs were done for the purpose of oppressing staff.

Their supporting arguments were:

1.  Two language teachers appeared upfront in the PTU press conference of 1 March 2011 and about five other language teachers were amongst the audience.  One ERO staff member showed up uninvited at the press conference and, for at least fifteen minutes before she was politely asked to leave, she had heard and might have noted down what the language teachers said to PTU staff and the newspaper reporters.  HoD(LC)/TY’s questioning of ASA chairman Mr Jordan Chung was intentional and directly related to the PTU press conference.

2.  Several LC/TY teaching staff had complained against LC/TY management to then DED(OP) Miss Annie Ho through VTC Lecturers’ Union in December 2010 without success, and later through PTU to LegCo Councilor Cheung Man-kwong.  Before the management returned its written verdict on 31 March 2011, some of the complainant staff had resigned “due to witch-hunt and oppression”. The speech of AD(LD) Mrs A Poon on "effective communication" was given to LC/TY but not other LC departments; it was a follow-up action intimidating LC/TY staff not to "talk to aliens”, not to “wash dirty linen in the public”, etc.

ASA's demands remain the same:

3.  We ask for a verdict to say that AD(LD) and HoD(LC)/TY were wrong in hurting the staff's feelings; we do not need the management to tell us why they did it.

4.  We ask for an assurance by the top management that VTC staff will not be persecuted for airing their grievances; we need not ask if any persecution has happened and if so whether the persecutor has been punished.

We ask for the minimum truth and the minimum justice. Above the minimum, 公道自在人心。

Regards,

Albert Li

ASA President

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寄件者: Albert Li

寄件日期: 2011年4月15日 19:56

收件者: CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu Tung; FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong Anna [SBI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik; WONG Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG SIU MAY; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart CHENG; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI PENG; LI PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WONG YIN TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG MIAO

副本: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; HUI CHI KWONG JACKSON; LEE KOON HUNG KEN; Ir. CHAN Chi Ming (CN/MH); CHENG TAI MAN; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; SUNG PO KWONG SUNNY; SZE WING CHEONG; SHEK KA FAI, Jeff; CHEUNG Wai-kin Kent; Joan CHUNG; Leung Wai Shing George; CHEUNG CHUN MING; LAM LUNG CHUEN FRANCIS; CHAN KA LIN KAREN; Edwin KW Cheung; LEUNG KING YUEN; LAM KWOK KEI,George

主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

Dear LC/TY colleagues,

ASA has done our part in lodging the complaint, presenting the case as best we can, and exposing it to the relevant staff groups.  Now we await, with patience and hope, a just verdict from the senior management.

We do not demand for apology or punishment of anyone, but we sternly ask for:

1.  a clear verdict that AD(LD) and HoD(LC)/TY were wrong on 31 March in causing disturbance, harassment and intimidation to staff

2.  an assurance from the top management that no VTC staff will be disadvantaged in any way for their lawful right to air staff grievances

We ask these for the sake of truth and justice, and we will not stop at anything less.

Regards,

Albert Li

ASA President

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寄件者: Albert Li

寄件日期: 2011年4月15日 8:15 AM

收件者: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; HUI CHI KWONG JACKSON; LEE KOON HUNG KEN; Ir. CHAN Chi Ming (CN/MH); CHENG TAI MAN; CHEUNG FOOK KWONG; SUNG PO KWONG SUNNY; SZE WING CHEONG; SHEK KA FAI, Jeff; CHEUNG Wai-kin Kent; Joan CHUNG; Leung Wai Shing George; CHEUNG CHUN MING; LAM LUNG CHUEN FRANCIS; CHAN KA LIN KAREN; Edwin KW Cheung; LEUNG KING YUEN; LAM KWOK KEI,George

主旨: FW: 請支持教協會簽名行動

各位ASA會員、VTC工會理事:

夾附《教協報》文章提及,教協會簽名運動收集了667個簽名,這數字己經很好,多謝各位參與和推動。

ASA在4月初代表數位同工,向HRD投訴有主管及學術總監企圖對同工「秋後算賬」,SDED和HRD現正調查事件。

ASA會長

李壽生 (Albert Li)

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寄件者: Albert Li

寄件日期: 2011年4月14日 15:46

收件者: CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu Tung; FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong Anna [SBI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik; WONG Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG SIU MAY; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart CHENG; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI PENG; LI PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WONG YIN TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG MIAO

副本: JOSALIN TSE; CHAN MAN WAH; LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; Dr Michael K K FUNG; LEUNG Yam-shing; Aby LEUNG; ASA-EXCO; VLU-EXCO; NRPSA-EXCO; MSU-EXCO; SCSA-EXCO; ITOGSA-EXCO

主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

Dear LC/TY colleagues,

Attached for your reference is an article in PTU News《教協報》written by PTU Chariman Dr Fung Wai-wah.  We hope this article could encourage the LC/TY colleagues who feel being hunted for airing their grievances, and others aggrieved by the discipline management in other ways.  At the end of the day, the truth cannot be buried and justice will prevail.

ASA is hopeful that a just verdict will come from the senior management.

Albert Li

ASA President

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From: Albert Li

Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 6:01 AM

To: JOSALIN TSE; CHAN MAN WAH

Cc: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; Dr Michael K K FUNG; LEUNG Yam-shing; Aby LEUNG; CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu Tung; FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong Anna [SBI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik; WONG Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG SIU MAY; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart CHENG; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI PENG; LI PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WONG YIN TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG MIAO; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

Subject: FW: No witch-hunting please...

Importance: High

Dear Josalin and Jacqueline,

May we suggest that your investigation probes into the feelings of different groups:

1.  Relevant unionists who have participated in the PTU press conference or have supported staff's complaint against the LC/TY management

2.  Relevant LC/TY teaching staff who have participated in the PTU press conference or have complained against LC/TY management to VTC unions or outside bodies

3.  LC/TY teaching staff other than those of (2)

4.  Reasonable persons who fictitously could listen to AD(LD)'s speech to staff and HoD(LC)/TY's questioning of unionist

ASA's complaint is about witch-hunts in terms of "relevant" staff being disturbed, harassed or intimidated.  These are subjective attributes which depend on the status of the listener.  A listener who has complained the management, and one who has not, will react quite differently to the same speech or questioning.

Regards,

Albert Li

ASA President

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寄件者: Albert Li

寄件日期: Monday, 11 April, 2011 17:15

收件者: JOSALIN TSE

副本: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; Dr Michael K K FUNG; LEUNG Yam-shing; Aby LEUNG; CHAN MAN WAH; CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu Tung; FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong Anna [SBI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik; WONG Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG SIU MAY; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart CHENG; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI PENG; LI PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WONG YIN TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG MIAO; ASA-EXCO; VLU-EXCO; NRPSA-EXCO; MSU-EXCO; SCSA-EXCO; ITOGSA-EXCO

主旨: RE: LC/TY Meeting on 31 March 2011

Dear Josalin,

Thank you for clarifying that HoD(LC)/TY Ms XY Qiu was not present during "individual" interviews.  We apology for transmitting inaccurate information about the individual interviews.  However, we are given to understand that Ms Qiu was present when you selected or announced the interviewees on 8 April.  Why was her presence necessary?  Would it not cause unnecessary anxiety amongst the teachers to be interviewed?  Our complaint of witch-hunts at LC/TY is against AD(LD)'s intimidating speech of 31 March, as well as HoD(LC)/TY's inappropriate questioning of ASA chairman Mr Jordan Chung (who was one of the interviewees).  It was inappropriate of Ms Qiu to be present in any of your investigation meetings of 8 April.

Regards,

Albert

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From: JOSALIN TSE

Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 3:16 PM

To: Albert Li

Cc: LO KIN KI EDMOND; Ho Siu Wah Annie; Dr Michael K K FUNG; LEUNG Yam-shing; Aby LEUNG; CHAN MAN WAH; CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu Tung; FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong Anna [SBI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik; WONG Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG SIU MAY; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart CHENG; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI PENG; LI PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WONG YIN TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG MIAO; ASA-EXCO; VLU-EXCO; NRPSA-EXCO; MSU-EXCO; SCSA-EXCO; ITOGSA-EXCO

Subject: LC/TY Meeting on 31 March 2011

Dear Albert,

I refer to your series of emails concerning the LC/TY meeting held on 31 March 2011.

In order to gather information on what had happened at the meeting of 31 March 2011, I paid a visit to LC/TY last Friday, 8 April 2011.  A short meeting was held with teachers of LC/TY to inform them of the purpose of my visit.  Since it was not possible to interview each of the teachers who were present at the 31 March meeting in one afternoon, a random sample of LC/TY teaching staff consisted of various ranks was invited to join an interview with me individually and they had been assured that all information collected would be treated in confidence.  You may wish to note that PL(LC)/TY was not present at any of the individual interviews.

It is Council's policy to maintain a work environment that is free from harassment.  Relevant parties to the complaint should be given the opportunity to present their cases and respond to the allegations. After the HRD has gathered all the facts and responses from relevant parties to the complaint, we shall present our findings to the management for consideration and decision on the follow up actions appropriate.  Staff concerned will also be notified of the result.

Josalin Tse

Acting Head/HRD

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From: Albert Li

Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:31 AM

To: CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu Tung; FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong Anna [SBI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik; WONG Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG SIU MAY; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart CHENG; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI PENG; LI PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WONG YIN TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG MIAO

Cc: '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'

Subject: FW: No witch-hunting please...

Importance: High

Dear all,

No. of respondents

1.  There were 16 valid returns from amongst 35 teaching staff.  The response rate was 46%.

2.  Four returns were invalidated because they were exactly the same and were sent from the same fax number within one minute of each other.

Summary of responses

3.  All the respondents indicated that the quoted statements had been said by AD(LD).

4.  The respondents indicated that they were disturbed (75%), harassed (81%), intimidated (94%), etc.

5.  43% of the respondents expressed their discontent using grave words like 驚恐, scared, demotivated, insulted, angry, hurting, unethical, etc.

Comments

6.  Not all the respondents were directly affected in that they had aired grievance to unions or other bodies. Most of them responded simply because of their discontent with the message itself.

7.  The above survey results were the consequence (not the cause) of the staff's discontent and their distrust with the management.

8.  The discipline management should focus on solving the problem per se, not hunting the persons who pointed out the problem.

Regards,

Albert Li

ASA President

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寄件者: Albert Li

寄件日期: Thursday, 7 April, 2011 4:41 AM

收件者: CHIU YEE MAN; LEE CHI MING; CHEUNG HIU SZE; CHUNG Chiu Tung; FAN PAK SING ANDREW; IP KWOK KIT; Law Yat Sang; LEE Sau-fong Anna [SBI]; LEE Wai-ching Crystal [SBI]; LEUNG HON YAN; WONG wai pik; WONG Wing Man; WORTHINGTON KEVIN JOHN; YEE Kar Wai, Angela; YEUNG SIU MAY; YEUNG WAI KEUNG FRANKIE; YIU ming kei; CHAN CHUN CHUEN; Mart CHENG; CHOI HIU SHU; CHOW SHUK MEI; KWOK NGAN YU; LAU MUNG HA; LI PENG; LI PUI YEE; LI WEN; NG flora; SUN NGAI; TSANG YU TING, RUBY; WANG JIAO; WONG YIN TING; YI YING YING; YIP Wing Seen, Monica; Leonard YIP; ZHANG MIAO

副本: JOSALIN TSE; Aby LEUNG; LEUNG Yam-shing; Ho Siu Wah Annie; ASA-EXCO; VLU-EXCO; NRPSA-EXCO; MSU-EXCO; SCSA-EXCO; ITOGSA-EXCO

主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

Dear LC/TY colleagues,

If you have attended the special meeting on 31 March in which AD(LD) Mrs A Poon spoke to you about "effective communication", please answer the following questions:

1.  Did Mrs Poon say something like these: "You must not talk to aliens... do you know the word ET..."; "I have strong detergent and good at washing dirty linen. Don't wash dirty linen in public".

□ Yes 16/16  □ No 0/16  □ Not sure  0/16

2.  How did you feel about any part or the whole of Mrs Poon's speech?

□ Intimidated 15/16   □ Harassed 13/16  □ Disturbed 12/16  □ Comforted 0/16  □ Encouraged 0/16

□ Other (please specify):_________________  7/16: angry, outrageous, hurting, demotivated, unethical, insulted, scared, 驚恐

Background to these questions: ASA has complained to HRD on behalf of several anonymous staff that there could be "witch-hunting (秋後算賬)" of LC/TY staff who aired their grievances on issues relating to the PTU press conference of 1 March 2011 and subsequent newspaper reports.  Union must protect members and staff against persecution for their selfless act of airing staff grievances.  Please read the emails below.

Kindly answer the above two questions and reply to me by email [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> or by fax 2432-2253, preferably before noon Friday 8 April 2011.

Please trust me: I will protect your anonymity.  Staff unity is power, your concerted action is power-squared.  Your response to this suvrey will help protect yourself.

Albert Li

ASA President

9843-9928

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From: Albert Li

Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 7:28 PM

To: JOSALIN TSE; Aby LEUNG

Cc: CHUNG Chiu Tung; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'

Subject: FW: No witch-hunting please...

Dear Josalin and Aby,

There was feedback just now from LC/TY staff that most of them did not know of the staff meeting tomorrow (7/4).

If the meeting is to look into whether a significant portion of the staff felt disturbed / harassed / intimidated by Mrs A Poon in the special meeting last week (31/3), then:

(a)  the majority if not all of LC/TY staff who attended the meeting should be asked

(b)  they should be asked in such a way that they feel comfortable to speak freely

How many of the relevant LC/TY staff will be interviewed tomorrow? Was the selection done openly in front of all the relevant staff?

Given the above reservations, it would not be appropriate for Jordan (Chung) and I to attend the interview tomorrow.

Regards,

Albert

________________________________

From: CHUNG Chiu Tung

Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 4:24 PM

To: Aby LEUNG

Cc: Albert Li

Subject: The Meeting Proposed by HRD

Dear Aby

Thanks a million for your relaying of Josalin's proposal to meet with me concerning the LC/TY Staff Meeting held on 31 March 2011 (Thursday).

Here I deem it appropriate for the HRD to invite the President of ASA to the proposed Meeting in addition to my presence.

Thank you.

Best regards

Jordan CHUNG

Chairman

ASA

________________________________

寄件者: Albert Li

寄件日期: 2011年4月3日 9:14

收件者: ASA-EXCO; VLU-EXCO; NRPSA-EXCO; MSU-EXCO; SCSA-EXCO; ITOGSA-EXCO

副本: POON LEE Sau Lai; Ho Siu Wah Annie; LEUNG Yam-shing; JOSALIN TSE

主旨: FW: No witch-hunting please...

Dear union friends,

Staff concern about witch-hunting at Language Discipline is well founded.  Please read the email below.  How could an Academic Director say such intimidating words to teachers?  It is particularly disappointing because Mrs A. Poon used to be the vice-chairman of a teachers' union.  Instead of oppressing staff, she should be much more tolerant and broad-minded (包容) of staff airing their grievances.

One thing I like about what she said: "I prefer people to stab me in front not in the back".  Hence I copy this email to her.  Mrs Poon is welcomed to rise to this open challenge.

Regards,

Albert

________________________________

寄件者: XXX

寄件日期: 2011年4月2日 22:20

收件者: Albert Li

主旨: AP

Dear Albert,

Thanks very much for helping LC staff.

I am member of ASA and one of the teaching staff in last Thursday's

(31/3 at TY C446 ) meetiing. I choose not to release my name as  others, I don't want to be witch-hunted. XYQ has been doing this for years to individual teachers.

AP's attitude, the choice of word, etc. has insulted language staff of TY/LC. Below is some of her exact wording:

. LC staff need to be trustworthy

. I prefer people to stab me in front NOT in the back . VTC English teachers have terrible grammar . You must not talk to aliens --- do you know the word ET....

. I have strong detergent and good at washing dirty linen. Don't wash dirty linen in public

She said that she had been working in VTC for over 25 year. Can you believe, VTC can stand her for 25 years? For me, "5 days" is too long!

XXX

________________________________

From: Albert Li

Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:42 AM

To: JOSALIN TSE; POON LEE Sau Lai

Cc: Ho Siu Wah Annie; LEUNG Yam-shing; ASA-Members; ASA-EXCO; VLU-EXCO; NRPSA-EXCO; MSU-EXCO; SCSA-EXCO; ITOGSA-EXCO

Subject: FW: No witch-hunting please...

Dear Mrs Tse and Mrs Poon,

The suspected witch-hunt is of grave concern to us because language teachers have stepped forward in the PTU press conference.  Another cause of concern is the special meeting at LC/TY this Thursday.  AD(LD) told the teaching staff something like this: "Dirty linen should not be shown to outside people... I am an expert in washing dirty clothes... I have lots of detergent..."  Many colleagues felt the message disturbing or harassing.

Unions must protect members and staff against persecution for their selfless act in stepping forward to air staff grievances.

Albert

________________________________

寄件者: Albert Li

寄件日期: 2011年4月1日 23:46

收件者: JOSALIN TSE; POON LEE Sau Lai

副本: Ho Siu Wah Annie; LEUNG Yam-shing; ASA-Members; ASA-EXCO; VLU-EXCO; NRPSA-EXCO; MSU-EXCO; SCSA-EXCO; ITOGSA-EXCO

主旨: No witch-hunting please...

Dear Mrs Tse and Mrs Poon,

This afternoon ASA Chairman Mr Jordan Chung was asked by his department head Ms Qiu Xiao-yan to go into her office.  Door closed, Mr Chung was questioned for half an hour on the staff grievance issues that had been reported in the newspaper following the press conference held by Professional Teachers' Union.  The questions were about: (a) the change of 9 teachers on 1 "post"; (b) the sick leave of Term staff.  Mr Chung clearly remembered Ms Qiu saying "I suppose you should know what happened behind the scenes."  It was no casual talk.

Was it a witch-hunt on ASA or the department?  Digging into a specific department will cause white terror amongst the staff.  Singling out a union chairman for questioning on heated issues is unwise and unacceptable.  The VTC management should focus on solving the problem per se, not hunting the persons who pointed out the problem.

ASA strongly demands Ms Qiu to immediately stop questioning her department's staff or union executives on matters relating to the PTU press conference or subsequent newspaper reports.  Mr Chung was obliged to report the unfortunate incident to ASA executive committee, and ASA is obliged to protect members and staff from possible witch-hunt.

Your assistance on this matter will be greatly appreciated.

Albert Li

ASA President

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Schedule B

First Schedule 

No.

Date & Time

Recipients

Subjects

Defamatory words

Imputations

1

1/4/2011 23:46

Josalin Tse, H/HRD, Ho Siu Wah Annie, DED(A), Leung Yam-shing, SAED, ASA members, executive members of staff unions

No witch-hunting please…

“This afternoon ASA Chairman Mr Jordan Chung was asked by his department head Ms Qiu Xiao-yan to go into her office.  Door closed, Mr Chung was questioned for half an hour on the staff grievance issues that had been reported in the newspaper following the press conference held by Professional Teachers’ Union.  The questions were about: (a) the change of 9 teachers on 1 “post”; (b) the sick leave of Term staff.  Mr Chung clearly remembers Ms Qiu saying “I suppose you should know what happened behind the scenes.”  It was no casual talk.

Was it a witch-hunt on ASA or the department? Digging into a specific department will cause white terror amongst the staff. Singling out a union chairman for questioning on heated issues is unwise and unacceptable. The VTC management should focus on solving the problem per se, not hunting the persons who pointed out the problem.”

SOC para.4

(d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

SOC para.4

(c) + (d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

2

2/4/2011 8:42

 

Josalin Tse, H/HRD, Ho Siu Wah Annie, DED(A), Leung Yam-shing, SAED, ASA members, executive members of staff unions

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“The suspected witch-hunt is of grave concern to us because language teachers have stepped forward in the PTU press conference. Another cause of concern is the special meeting at LC/TY this Thursday. AD(LD) told the teaching staff something like this: “Dirty linen should not be shown to outside people…I am an expert in washing dirty clothes…I have lots of detergent…”Many colleagues felt the message disturbing or harassing.”

SOC para.4

(d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

Reply para 4

Yeung’s identified complaint words not rightly quoted

3

3/4/2011 9:14

 

Josalin Tse, H/HRD, Ho Siu Wah Annie, DED(A) Leung Yam-shing, SAED, executive members of staff unions

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“How could an Academic Director say such intimidating words to teachers? It is particularly disappointing because Mrs A. Poon used to be the vice-chairman of a teachers’ union. Instead of oppressing staff, she should be much more tolerant and broad-minded of staff airing their grievances.”

SOC para.4

(b) + (c) + (d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

Reply para 4

4

7/4/2011 4:41

 

Staff in LC/TY, Josalin Tse, H/HRD, Aby Leung, SEO/TY, Leung Yam-shing, SAED, executive members of staff unions

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“If you have attended the special meeting on 31 March in which AD(LD) Mrs A Poon spoke to you about “effective communication”, please answer the following questions:

1.  Did Mrs Poon say something like these: “You must not talk to aliens…do you know the word ET…”; “I have strong detergent and good at washing dirty linen. Don’t wash dirty linen in public”.

Background to these questions: ASA has complained to HRD on behalf of several anonymous staff that there could be “witch-hunting (秋後算賬) of LC/TY staff who aired their grievances on issues relating to the PTU press conference of 1 March 2011 and subsequent newspaper reports”

SOC para.4

(e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

Reply para 4

5

8/4/2011 11:30

 

Staff in LC/TY, executive members of staff unions

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“7. The above survey results were the consequence (not the cause) of the staff’s discontent and their distrust with the management.


8.  the discipline management should focus on solving the problem per se, not hunting the persons who pointed out the problem”

SOC para.4

(d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

Reply para 4

6

11/4/2011 17:15

 

Josalin Tse, H/HRD, Ho Siu Wah Annie, DED(A),

Leung Yam-shing, SAED, staff in LC/TY, executive members of staff unions

RE: LC/TY Meeting on 31 March 2011

“Our complaint of witch-hunts at LC/TY is against AD(LD)’s intimidating speech of 31 March”

SOC para.4

(d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

Reply para 4

7

15/4/2011 8:15

 

Members of ASA, executive members of staff unions

FW: 請支持教協會簽名行動

“ASA在4月初代表數位同工, 向HRD投訴有主管及學術總監企圖對同工「秋後算賬」”

SOC para.4

(e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

Reply para 4

8

15/4/2011 19:56

 

Staff in LC/TY, executive members of staff unions

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“we sternly ask for: 1. a clear verdict that AD(LD) and HoD(LC)/TY were wrong on 31 March in causing disturbance, harassment and intimidation to staff”

SOC para.4

(c) + (d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

Reply para 4

9

17/4/2011 8:28

 

Staff in LC/TY, executive members of staff unions

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“AD(LD)’s speech and HoD(LC)/TY’s questioning were intentional, their wrongs were done for the purpose of oppressing staff…it was a follow-up action intimidating LC/TY staff”

SOC para.4

(b) + (c) + (d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

Reply para 4

10

17/4/2011 19:45

 

Lo Kin Ki Edmond, SDED, Ho Siu Wah Annie, DED(A), Dr. Michael K K Fung, P/TY,

Leung Yam-shing, SAED, Aby Leung, SEO/TY, Chan Man Wah, SO/HRD, Josalin Tse, H/HRD, staff in LC/TY, ASA members, executive members of staff unions

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“獨裁主管的特徵是容不下異已, 並打壓投訴者。他們行使強權, 以逼迫恐嚇方法使下屬懼怕, 用孤立分化手段令下屬彼此猜忌。從這次事件可以看到, 弱勢員工的投訴一旦被壓倒, 獨裁主管立即沾沾自喜, 更變本加厲, 大肆出言恐嚇。”

“相信這情況是冰封三尺非一日之寒, 恐怕該部門的員工士氣和團隊穩定被腐蝕已久。ASA希望高層管理採取有效措施, 幫助弱勢員工, 防止被有關學術總監和部門主管「剷除異己」。”

SOC para.4

(b) + (c) + (d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

Reply para 4

11

19/4/2011 6:59

 

Executive members of staff unions

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“語文學科領導出言恐嚇, 企圖令同工噤若寒蟬。”

SOC para.4

(b) + (c) + (d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

Reply para 4

12

21/4/2011 8:24

 

Lo Kin Ki Edmond, SDED, Ho Siu Wah Annie, DED(A), Chan Sau Ching Susanna, DED(B), Dr. Lawrence W Chan, DED(C)), Dr. Michael K K Fung, P/TY,

Leung Yam-shing, SAED

Aby Leung, SEO/TY, Chan Man Wah, SO/HRD, Josalin Tse, H/HRD, staff in LC/TY,

ASA members, executive members of staff unions

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“ASA認為學術總監在31/3特別會議中對同工的恐嚇…總非偶然”

SOC para.4

(b) + (c) + (d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

Reply para 4

13

22/4/2011 12:15

 

Staff in LC/TY, executive members of staff unions

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“各位LC/TY同工:

若閣下知道現任或離職同工,曾因申訴不滿而被主管或總監逼迫而(精神上、事業上、金錢上、等等)蒙受損失,請他/她聯絡本人9843-9928或[email protected]

ASA為同工申訴…力證確實有人出言恐嚇令員工不安, 但不能舉證其他的逼迫行為和苦主蒙受的損失”

SOC para.4

(b) + (c) + (d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

Reply para 4

14

24/4/2011 11:45

 

Lo Kin Ki Edmond, SDED, Ho Siu Wah Annie, DED(A), Chan Sau Ching Susanna, DED(B), Dr. Lawrence W Chan, DED(C)), Dr. Michael K K Fung, P/TY,

Leung Yam-shing, SAED

Aby Leung, SEO/TY, Chan Man Wah, SO/HRD, Josalin Tse, H/HRD, staff in LC/TY,

ASA members, executive members of staff unions

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“有17/4電郵訴說有同工被逼迫而辭職…據說該同工是LC/TY合約教員並曾向HRD和教協會投訴部門主管。

明目張膽地向下屬出言恐嚇, 已是不能接受的行為。若因投訴而孤立下屬, 這種逼迫行為, 更非工會所能容忍。”

See para.4

(b) + (c) + (d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

Reply para 4

15

3/5/2011 11:57

 

Members of ASA, executive members of staff unions, others

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“以上司身份對下屬「出言恐嚇、欺壓逼迫」等言行…學術總監的冒犯他人的說話”

SOC para.4

(b) + (c) + (d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

Reply para 4

16

5/5/2011 10:56

 

Members of ASA, executive members of staff unions, others

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“ASA收到5份電郵訴說因申訴而被孤立欺壓, 或被強行調職, 或對職訓局失望遂拂袖而去,等等。”

“若你曾經因申訴不滿而受到管理層打壓…”

SOC para.4

(b) + (c) + (d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

Reply para 4

17

6/5/2011 6:30 am

 

馮偉華(教協會長), 張文光(立法會議員及教協副會長), 梁敏儀(教協), 朱嘉妮(李鳳英議員辦事處), 鄺志堅(前立法會議員香港工聯會法律顧問)

Cheung Fook Kwong, members of ASA, executive members of staff unions, others

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“語文學術總監召集特別員工會議, 向該部門二十多名教員訓話, 內容令大部分同工感到不安、受擾…這些同工更感到被恐嚇、受侮辱”

SOC para.4

(b) + (c) + (d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

Reply para 4

18

15/5/2011 11:42

 

李鳳英(立法會議員,職業訓練局理事會成員), 朱嘉妮(李鳳英議員辦事處), some members of ASA

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“describing the oppressions the teachers had suffered because they had expressed grievances against the management.”

SOC para.4

(b) + (c) + (d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

Reply para 4

19

15/5/2011 13:29

 

Members of ASA, executive members of staff unions, others

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“Afterwards, these colleagues informed me that they felt the witch-hunt pressure from two LC management staff”

SOC para.4

(d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

Reply para 4

20

17/5/2011 21:36

 

Members of ASA, executive members of staff unions, Cheung Fook Kwong, 馮偉華(教協會長), 張文光(立法會議員及教協副會長), 梁敏儀(教協), 朱嘉妮(李鳳英議員辦事處), 李鳳英(立法會議員,職業訓練局理事會成員) others

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“2. AD(LD) Mrs A Poon spoke to LC/TY staff in a special meeting on 31 March intimidating them “not to expose our weaknesses to alien”, “don’t wash dirty linen in the public”

3. Those LC/TY staff…felt intimidated and witch-hunted by Mrs Poon and Ms Qiu”

SOC para.4

(d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

Reply para 4

21

18/5/2011 9:33pm

 

Lo Kin Ki Edmond, SDED, Ho Siu Wah Annie, DED(A), Chan Sau Ching Susanna, DED(B), Dr. Lawrence W. Chan, DED(C), Leung Yam-shing, SAED, Au Kam Hung, Gary, SAED,

Dr. Michael K K Fung, P/TY, Aby Leung, SEO/TY, Chan Man Wah, SO/HRD, Josalin Tse, H/HRD, ASA members, executive members of staff unions, Cheung Fook Kwong, 馮偉華(教協會長), 張文光(立法會議員及教協副會長), 梁敏儀(教協), 朱嘉妮(李鳳英議員辦事處), 李鳳英(立法會議員,職業訓練局理事會成員), others

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“The crux of this case is how witch-hunting can be prevented. It’s not whether witch-hunting has occurred, which in our minds is a truth beyond any doubts and debates.

ASA demands…that Ms XY Qiu and Mrs A Poon will stop bullying or prosecuting teachers who have aired grievances to VTC unions and outside parties including PTU”

SOC para.4

(d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

Reply para 4

22

22/5/2011 10:24

 

Cheung Fook Kwong, 馮偉華(教協會長), 張文光(立法會議員及教協副會長), 梁敏儀(教協), 朱嘉妮(李鳳英議員辦事處),

李鳳英(立法會議員, 職業訓練局理事會成員), ASA members, executive members of staff unions, others

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“1.語文科學術總監有沒有繼續抵賴, 否認曾向下屬出言不遜、魯言莽語…並誣蔑工會造假?

3. 會議有沒有審理LC/TY教師被主管欺負的投訴…”

SOC para.4

(a)  + (b) + (c) + (d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

Reply para 4

 


Second Schedule


No.

Date & Time

Recipients

Subjects

Defamatory words

Case Put

1

1/4/2011 23:46

 

Josalin Tse, H/HRD, Ho Siu Wah Annie, DED(A), Leung Yam-shing, SAED ASA members, executive members of staff unions

No witch-hunting please…

“This afternoon ASA Chairman Mr Jordan Chung was asked by his department head Ms Qiu Xiao-yan to go into her office.  Door closed, Mr Chung was questioned for half an hour on the staff grievance issues that had been reported in the newspaper following the press conference held by Professional Teachers’ Union.  The questions were about: (a) the change of 9 teachers on 1 “post”; (b) the sick leave of Term staff.  Mr Chung clearly remembers Ms Qiu saying “I suppose you should know what happened behind the scenes.”  It was no casual talk.

Was it a witch-hunt on ASA or the department? Digging into a specific department will cause white terror amongst the staff. Singling out a union chairman for questioning on heated issues is unwise and unacceptable. The VTC management should focus on solving the problem per se, not hunting the persons who pointed out the problem.”

SOC para.4

(d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

SOC para.4

(c)+ (d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

2

2/4/2011 8:42

 

Josalin Tse, H/HRD, Ho Siu Wah Annie, DED(A), Leung Yam-shing, SAED, ASA members, executive members of staff unions

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“The suspected witch-hunt is of grave concern to us because language teachers have stepped forward in the PTU press conference.”

SOC para.4

(e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

3

7/4/2011 4:41

 

Staff in LC/TY, Josalin Tse, H/HRD, Aby Leung, SEO/TY, Leung Yam-shing, SAED, executive members of staff unions

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“If you have attended the special meeting on 31 March in which AD(LD) Mrs A Poon spoke to you about “effective communication”, please answer the following questions:

1.  Did Mrs Poon say something like these: “You must not talk to aliens…do you know the word ET…”; “I have strong detergent and good at washing dirty linen. Don’t wash dirty linen in public”.

Background to these questions: ASA has complained to HRD on behalf of several anonymous staff that there could be “witch-hunting (秋後算賬) of LC/TY staff who aired their grievances on issues relating to the PTU press conference of 1 March 2011 and subsequent newspaper reports”

SOC para.4

(e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

4

8/4/2011 11:30

 

Staff in LC/TY, executive members of staff unions

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“7. The above survey results were the consequence (not the cause) of the staff’s discontent and their distrust with the management.
8.  the discipline management should focus on solving the problem per se, not hunting the persons who pointed out the problem”

SOC para.4

(d)  + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

5

15/4/2011 8:15

 

Members of ASA, executive members of staff unions

FW: 請支持教協會簽名行動

“ASA在4月初代表數位同工, 向HRD投訴有主管及學術總監企圖對同工「秋後算賬」”

See para.4

(e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

6

15/4/2011 19:56

 

Staff in LC/TY, executive members of staff unions

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“we sternly ask for: 1. a clear verdict that AD(LD) and HoD(LC)/TY were wrong on 31 March in causing disturbance, harassment and intimidation to staff”

SOC para.4

(c)+ (d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

7

17/4/2011 8:28

 

Staff in LC/TY, executive members of staff unions

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“AD(LD)’s speech and HoD(LC)/TY’s questioning were intentional, their wrongs were done for the purpose of oppressing staff…it was a follow-up action intimidating LC/TY staff”

SOC para.4

(b)  + (c) + (d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7


8

17/4/2011 19:45

 

Lo Kin Ki Edmond, SDED, Ho Siu Wah Annie, DED(A), Dr. Michael K K Fung, P/TY, Leung Yam-shing, SAED, Aby Leung, SEO/TY, Chan Man Wah, SO/HRD, Josalin Tse, H/HRD, staff in LC/TY, ASA members, executive members of staff unions

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“獨裁主管的特徵是容不下異已, 並打壓投訴者。他們行使強權, 以逼迫恐嚇方法使下屬懼怕, 用孤立分化手段令下屬彼此猜忌。從這次事件可以看到, 弱勢員工的投訴一旦被壓倒, 獨裁主管立即沾沾自喜, 更變本加厲, 大肆出言恐嚇。”

“相信這情況是冰封三尺非一日之寒, 恐怕該部門的員工士氣和團隊穩定被腐蝕已久。ASA希望高層管理採取有效措施, 幫助弱勢員工, 防止被有關學術總監和部門主管「剷除異己」。”

SOC para.4

(b)  + (c) + (d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

9

19/4/2011 6:59

 

Executive members of staff unions

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“語文學科領導出言恐嚇, 企圖令同工噤若寒蟬。”

SOC para.4 (b) + (c) + (d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

10

22/4/2011 12:15

 

Staff in LC/TY, executive members of staff unions

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“ASA為同工申訴…力證確實有人出言恐嚇令員工不安, 但不能舉證其他的逼迫行為和苦主蒙受的損失”

SOC para.4 (b) + (c) + (d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

11

24/4/2011 11:45

 

Lo Kin Ki Edmond, SDED, Ho Siu Wah Annie, DED(A), Chan Sau Ching Susanna, DED(B), Dr. Lawrence W Chan, DED(C)), Dr. Michael K K Fung, P/TY, Leung Yam-shing, SAED, Aby Leung, SEO/TY, Chan Man Wah, SO/HRD, Josalin Tse, H/HRD, staff in LC/TY, ASA members, executive members of staff unions

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“有17/4電郵訴說有同工被逼迫而辭職…據說該同工是LC/TY合約教員並曾向HRD和教協會投訴部門主管。

明目張膽地向下屬出言恐嚇, 已是不能接受的行為。若因投訴而孤立下屬, 這種逼迫行為, 更非工會所能容忍。”

SOC para.4

(b) + (c) + (d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

12

3/5/2011 11:57

 

Members of ASA, executive members of staff unions, others

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“以上司身份對下屬「出言恐嚇、欺壓逼迫」等言行”

SOC para.4

(b) + (c) + (d) + (e)

13

5/5/2011 10:56

 

Members of ASA, executive members of staff unions, others

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“ASA收到5份電郵訴說因申訴而被孤立欺壓, 或被強行調職, 或對職訓局失望遂拂袖而去,等等。”

“若你曾經因申訴不滿而受到管理層打壓…”

SOC para.4

(b) + (c) + (d) + (e)

14

15/5/2011 11:42

 

李鳳英(立法會議員, 職業訓練局理事會成員), 朱嘉妮(李鳳英議員辦事處), some members of ASA

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“describing the oppressions the teachers had suffered because they had expressed grievances against the management.”

SOC para.4

(a)  + (b) + (c) + (d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

15

15/5/2011 13:29

 

Members of ASA, executive members of staff unions, others

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“Afterwards, these colleagues informed me that they felt the witch-hunt pressure from two LC management staff”

SOC para.4(a) +(d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

16

17/5/2011 21:36

 

Members of ASA, executive members of staff unions, Cheung Fook Kwong, 馮偉華(教協會長), 張文光(立法會議員及教協副會長), 梁敏儀(教協), 朱嘉妮(李鳳英議員辦事處), 李鳳英(立法會議員, 職業訓練局理事會成員), others

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“3. Those LC/TY staff…felt intimidated and witch-hunted by Mrs Poon and Ms Qiu”

SOC para.4 (a) + (d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7

17

18/5/2011 9:33pm

 

Lo Kin Ki Edmond, SDED, Ho Siu Wah Annie, DED(A), Chan Sau Ching Susanna, DED(B), Dr. Lawrence W. Chan, DED(C), Leung Yam-shing, SAED, Au Kam Hung, Gary, SAED, Dr. Michael K K Fung, P/TY, Aby Leung, SEO/TY, Chan Man Wah, SO/HRD, Josalin Tse, H/HRD, ASA members, executive members of staff unions, Cheung Fook Kwong, 馮偉華(教協會長), 張文光(立法會議員及教協副會長), 梁敏儀(教協), 朱嘉妮(李鳳英議員辦事處), 李鳳英(立法會議員, 職業訓練局理事會成員

), others

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“The crux of this case is how witch-hunting can be prevented. It’s not whether witch-hunting has occurred, which in our minds is a truth beyond any doubts and debates.

ASA demands…that Ms XY Qiu and Mrs A Poon will stop bullying or prosecuting teachers who have aired grievances to VTC unions and outside parties including PTU”

SOC para.4 (a) +

(c)  + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7


18

22/5/2011 10:24

 

Cheung Fook Kwong, 馮偉華(教協會長), 張文光(立法會議員及教協副會長), 梁敏儀(教協), 朱嘉妮(李鳳英議員辦事處), 李鳳英(立法會議員, 職業訓練局理事會成員

), ASA members, executive members of staff unions, others

FW: No witch-hunting please…

“3. 會議有沒有審理LC/TY教師被主管欺負的投訴…”

SOC para 4 (a), (b) + (c) + (d) + (e)

SOC para.5

SOC para.7


Schedule C

Transcript: A Poon’s speech of 31March (DCCJ 2191/2012)

{START}

{00:00}

Mrs. Poon: 個market potential好大啊? 咁我都話,唔係market potential大就要做嫁。我覺得,果陣時我地講 le, 有個再重要 D geh 原因。我成日我有形容過嫁。我成日即係我形容 le 就係似咩似咩geh 堅持 [INAUDIBLE] 我淨係 [INAUDIBLE] 螞蚁 [INAUDIBLE] 你地有冇睇過[INAUDIBLE] 童話故事比 D 仔女聽啊?

Audience: (哈哈哈哈)

Mrs. Poon:   蝴蝶點啊? 蝴蝶。蝴蝶係好 enjoy light嫁係米啊?咩啊?咩啊? [INAUDIBLE] 有野就食啦, 冇野嫁係米啊? 哈, 蜜蜂啊威D, INAUDIBLE] 螞蟻啊威 D,咁

Audience:  (Thank you)

Mrs. Poon:   我做個比喻我地叫咩啊? 我地叫螞蟻耍, 螞蟻要咩落雨[INAUDIBLE] 儲儲埋埋 D [INAUDIBLE] 係咪啊?

{01:00}

Mrs. Poon:   咁我地 geh 不雨天係幾時啊? 知唔知啊? 我地有冇冬天啊? 有冇讀language 啊?

Audience:  (Gap year?) (Yeah)

Mrs. Poon:   Gap Year, 幾時係啊?

Audience:  (哈哈哈哈) (Next year)

Mrs. Poon:    咩 Next year 啊?

Audience:    (This year, I’m sorry)

Mrs. Poon:   令年九月啊!

Audience:    (哈哈哈哈)

Mrs. Poon:   Next year即係

Audience:    (erm yea, you [INAUDIBLE] )

Mrs. Poon:   academic year 啊 [INAUDIBLE] next A-Y 係九月, 但實際上 le 如果我地再睇清楚, 你依排睇報紙 le 我今 [INAUDIBLE] 琴日我都有睇

Audience:    (唔係我啊)

Mrs. Poon:   依家中學係唔係殺緊校啊?

Audience:    (係啊,好多啊)

Mrs. Poon:   係 lor, 點解要殺啊?

Audience:    (唔夠細路仔 lor) (唔夠細路仔?仲細路仔?) (哈哈哈)

Mrs. Poon  唔夠學生啊嗎。最..最嚴進係幾時啊?

Audience:    (我翻鬼佬黎嫁)(201...2015…41[INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon:   咁所以你睇返中學 geh情況 le, 你就會

{02:00}

Mrs. Poön:   睇倒我地 geh 冬天 le 係幾時啊? [INAUDIBLE] 咁所以 Florence le 上一次黎 le 點解我地咁努力啊? 去做D [INAUDIBLE] 我地 le [INAUDIBLE] 創造多 D [INAUDIBLE] 出黎, 領到 le 冬天黎到geh 時候 le, 其實我地都唔洗憂慮, 我地大把野做。得唔得?所以依個le 現致係最容易, 唔係為做 [INAUDIBLE] 升職, 我頭先解釋左啦下, 我冇[INAUDIBLE], 我冇出賣過你地, 唔係, 唔係 le 我 [INAUDIBLE] 咁我就下我就可以 [INAUDIBLE] ok? Ehh 我以前都係咁同你地講, 我係 VTC le 做左 27 年, 我一路都係教英文, 咁我 geh心 le 一路都係 language 度,

{03:00}

Mrs. Poon:   從來 le [INAUDIBLE] 都係 manual 做。

Audience:  ([INAUDIBLE] )

Mrs. Poon:   唔係啊,你可能未出世嫁 [INAUDIBLE] 所以後生我都未必信,我84年入VTC,咁你霖下個D 後生 geh 係咪未出世?  [INAUDIBLE] 唔好同 [INAUDIBLE] 比啦 [INAUDIBLE] 好多好多八十後家嗎。[INAUDIBLE] 係咪啊? 唉 80,好後家嗎,好後 geh。[INAUDIBLE] 各位同事le ,去了解即係點解le我地耍,要 [INAUDIBLE] 點解我地要咁努力啊,去做咁多 [INAUDIBLE]。咁有冇聽過 le 潘太就係VTC 最有錢 [INAUDIBLE] ?

Audience:  (係咩? 噢!)

Mrs. Poon:    係啊 [INAUDIBLE] 去話比你聽 [INAUDIBLE]

Audience:  (哈哈哈哈)

Mrs. Poon:    點解 VTC即係潘太

{04:00}

Mrs. Poon:   [INAUDIBLE] channel [INAUDIBLE]

Audience:  (哈哈哈哈)

Mrs. Poon:   I’m telling them they, they they they are they are調 they are [INAUDIBLE] that I’m grown to be a wicked lady [INAUDIBLE] 

Audience:  (哈哈哈)

Mrs. Poon:    because we are [INAUDIBLE] getting EBD funding, Education Bureau funded [INAUDIBLE] so the money comes from the government. 我le? So I have been successful in negotiating and [INAUDIBLE] them that we are qualified, or we have the extra [INAUDIBLE] to launch vocational English programme, [INAUDIBLE] vocational training council 我地做 of course we have the extra [INAUDIBLE],we are better than our competitors

{05:00}

Mrs. Poon:   in terms of erm knowledge, experience, in running vocational English course, and very soon and other than this vocational English programme we will launch a web-based, web-based vocational English programme, did anyone [INAUDIBLE] me? Web-based?  You [INAUDIBLE] talking about online courses so do you think it will work?  Online English courses?  How do you know I am skeptical?  [INAUDIBLE] online courses? People who don't really [INAUDIBLE] run online courses.  They have not the ability.  We have that impression?  Online courses, they have not the ability [INAUDIBLE]

{06:00}

Mrs Poon   Alright, so, our online courses will be different from the normal ordinary one.  Why?  I think erm our [INAUDIBLE] is that our online    courses, they are accredited by HKTA [INAUDIBLE] alright? They are accredit 即係 they are award-bearing,now the award is the [INAUDIBLE].  Alright? [INAUDIBLE] the awards they are recognized by the  employers or  not?  By the government?  If these awards are recognized by the government, they are recognized by the employers, then these are our selling points.  And then, QA, quality assurance is also something very important.  Do you agree?  Alright?

{07:00}

Mrs. Poon: Can we talk about [INAUDIBLE] can we ensure that these online courses are the best ones, so our QA, our quality assurance, for the assessments of each courses, we don’t do it online alright? Each student they have to take these assessments in person.  Ok?  So this is how we ensure that it is standard.  Ok?  And these are going to be billion dollar projects.  Billion.  [INAUDIBLE] billion.  Billion dollar projects.  So that's why I can claim to be the richest woman in the [INAUDIBLE] I can get the funding from EBD.  Alright?  Is that good news for our language schools?  Yes or no?

Audience:  (Yes of course)

{08:00}

Mrs. Poon: Because we are talking about guaranteeing right [INAUDIBLE] Calvin you know what this means right?

Audience: (Yes)

Mrs. Poon: I talked about it [INAUDIBLE] intact not broken [INAUDIBLE] there about [INAUDIBLE] opportunities for our [INAUDIBLE] this is something we can uhhh [INAUDIBLE] our language system. Do you know [INAUDIBLE] how many English teachers have we got?  I always ask this question, how many english teachers are there around?  The whole discipline? How many Chinese 普通話 teachers? The new faces don't know but Calvin you should know.

Audience:   ([INAUDIBLE] English [INAUDIBLE) together)

Mrs. Poon:  [INAUDIBLE) 80? Why 80?

{09: 00}

Mrs. Poon:   [INAUDIBLE] I’m inspecting the [INAUDIBLE] directory [INAUDIBLE] roughly, ok roughly, we have been quite stable, talking about 200 English teachers, 100 Chinese 普通話 teachers and we are talking really about a large group, alright, a [INAUDIBLE] in Hong Kong, I don’t think you can find a team like this, alright, with this size in any university, in any tertiary institute, only in the VTC, so we can claim to be so strong, so powerful, because with this the [INAUDIBLE] 係 our [INAUDIBLE] panel members during the accreditation exercise,so this is how we convince

{10:00}

Mrs. Poon:   the panel members from HKCAE too. Alright?  Our expertise, our [INAUDIBLE] alright?  Our experience etcetera etcetera.  And then we have been very successful with the accreditation.  I’m here today also to show you my [INAUDIBLE] can you tell me the strengths of the language centre of [INAUDIBLE]  What are the strengths?

Audience:    (High [INAUDIBLE] rate in [INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon:   What?

Audience:    (We have the highest SFC rate in [INAUDIBLE])

Mrs.Poon:    And

Audience:    (Due to satisfaction, we have number one).

Mrs. Poon:   [INAUDIBLE] SFC?  [INAUDIBLE] And we are the number one?  Among all the [INAUDIBLE]

Audience:    (Not this year, not the [INAUDIBLE] pretty clear right?  [INAUDIBLE]

{11:00}

Mrs. Poon:   So are you proud of this?  This student treatment [INAUDIBLE]  What else?  Other than SFC?  What makes you proud being a member of the language centre? [INAUDIBLE] you have to [INAUDIBLE] somebody else 哈哈哈哈。

Audience:  (Uhh, we have very strong and [INAUDIBLE] supports the language techniques, language learning [INAUDIBLE] like provide radio and also we have uhh.  I think its pretty close [INAUDIBLE] uhh [INAUDIBLE] computer [INAUDIBLE

Mrs. Poon:   [INAUDIBLE] the [INAUDIBLE] radio [INAUDIBLE], that is something you need,

{12:00}

Mrs. Poon:   you need, nobody else has got it.  So this is something you should be proud of, of course it doesn’t come easy right?  Maybe you have worked so hard, [INAUDIBLE] a lot of efforts, a lot of [INAUDIBLE] but think about it, is it good for students?  Yes or no?  Is it good for language learners?  Is it good uhh  that [INAUDIBLE] to help the language centre to give up a good reputation?  So you [INAUDIBLE] what you are capable of, your competition, you need competition, you need competition, nobody else can do it.  Right?

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE] it stands for teaching effort.  That means [INAUDIBLE])

{13:00}

Mrs. Poon:   So you, you stand out  from the rest, alright, you get recognized, by the whole campus, alright so you've not only got the [INAUDIBLE] of the language method, the [INAUDIBLE] of the campus, when they work on the [INAUDIBLE] report, so what the [INAUDIBLE] method [INAUDIBLE] what is unique [INAUDIBLE] alright?  What else?  This is sort, sort of like self-evaluation, [INAUDIBLE] what analysis [INAUDIBLE] something also unique to you.  [INAUDIBLE] 哈哈哈哈

Audience:  (hardworking staff)

Mrs. Poon:   loads of hardworking staff?  Its difficult to mention.

{14:00}

Mrs. Poon:   How can you show it?  How can you show it?  I want to [INAUDIBLE] I want I want [INAUDIBLE] its true, but how can you convince other people, they, they are not language people, and then you tell them, we have lots of hardworking colleagues, how can you show?

Audience:  ([INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon:   You, you go home late?  You stay in the office until nine o’ clock?  Does this show you are hardworking?  [INAUDIBLE] you are hardworking, alright?

Audience:  (have trust in us?)

Mrs. Poon:   huh?

Audience:  (have trust in us?)

Mrs. Poon:   have trust? Yes of course, I have trust in you, but what about other people?

Audience:  ([INAUDIBLE]) (哈哈哈哈)

Mrs. Poon:   this is something measureable, meeting deadlines, yes then this is [INAUDIBLE]

{15:00}

Mrs. Poon:   Why did you say [INAUDIBLE] yea, diligent people, we meet deadline, we are very effective, let’s say, alright, we are very efficient and effective, because we can meet deadline.  I’m sure any people cannot meet deadlines, sometimes I can’t.  哈哈.  Alright?  So, good.  What else?  Something also unique, I want you to mention it yourself.  Unique.  [INAUDIBLE]

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: [INAUDIBLE] You should be proud of it, I think of course, [INAUDIBLE] alright, you have put in a lot of effort, it’s not easy

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: yes, your involvement, alright, your time, your effort.

{16:00}

Mrs. Poon: We have the ITDR, the language [INAUDIBLE].  Last year, I went to Singapore and partici-, participated in a [INAUDIBLE] seminar.  So this is the, what happened?  Uhh.  Last year or two years ago?

Audience: (Last year)

Mrs. Poon:   Why do you [INAUDIBLE] we do it every year?  So [INAUDIBLE] some years ago [INAUDIBLE] Singapore, I forgot the name [INAUDIBLE] education alright?  Some years ago, they started this alright? They brought 300 students to Hong Kong and at a seminar with [INAUDIBLE] so that’s why last year we brought 300 students to Singapore.  And it was during the period of swine flu.

{17:00}

Audience: (哈哈)

Mrs. Poon:   [INAUDIBLE] challenge,alright? Flying all the way to Singapore.  [INAUDIBLE] ok?  And then now, they are here.  When I was in Singapore, I was impressed by what?  By the Singapore students, they always sing and dance.  Even when they do a project presentation, they sing and dance.  They dance alright?  They also [INAUDIBLE] our project presentations, its just PowerPoint, and then students standing up reading from the PowerPoint.  For them, they sang, they dance, and they were so [INAUDIBLE] because they are multi-cultural, alright, its different, so that’s why your musical is so important for this [INAUDIBLE] seminar.

{18:00}

Mrs. Poon: Hong Kong students, they are good, they are not good with singing and dancing [INAUDIBLE] do you see your seniors and dance all the time?  They are quite boring I would say alright?  They are not so energetic.  So without your [INAUDIBLE] I don't know what you can do then.  [INAUDIBLE] come and sing and dance and then

Audience: (哈哈哈哈)

Mrs. Poon: maybe [INAUDIBLE] I don’t remember maybe three year or four years ago, I don’t know, we also put a show but [INAUDIBLE] because the English level [INAUDIBLE] so the introduction [INAUDIBLE].  So we really appreciate the efforts, alright, you have put it,

{19:00}

Mrs. Poon: [INAUDIBLE] its not easy, alright, look at the English [INAUDIBLE] alright?  I know, some of you will think, wow, we haven’t [INAUDIBLE] a lot of students, cus’ you know [INAUDIBLE] set a good example, telling the other students that it is not impossible [INAUDIBLE] you can do it if you.try hard, alright, its possible, this is the message you want to send out to the students, its possible, you can sing, you can dance.  As long as you’re willing to try [INAUDIBLE] alright, we understand, its not easy, alright, so much for strengths, what are your weakness, can’t be all strength [INAUDIBLE], what are your weaknesses?

Audience:  ([INAUDIBLE])

{20:00}

Mrs. Poon: Its easy to come up with strengths哈哈, [INAUDIBLE] difficult to talk about weaknesses [INAUDIBLE] so hard to be so honest. Calvin, you start.

Audience: (哈哈哈哈) (We have a [INAUDIBLE] because [INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: one way to get around the problem, we talk about physical resources [INAUDIBLE] I’m not asking about this, I’m not asking for answers like this, I want true answers other than physical resources.  What else?

{21:00}

Mrs. Poon: We talk about room for improvement, right?

Audience: (Many new staff)

Audience: (yes, inexperience)

Mrs. Poon: inexperience.  What’s wrong with partners, they like new staff.  It’s interesting.

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: 哈哈哈哈

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: Too many may be the problem, too many, alright, we need a stable workforce, alright, so sometimes [INAUDIBLE] uhh that is the [INAUDIBLE] as we are expanding, alright, then we need new staff.  Do we agree?  Unless we are shrinking, ([INAUDIBLE]) then we’ll be cutting our staff, then you won’t see new faces, then the reason is high staff turnover rate, Do we have a high staff rate have a lot of people resigned?

{22:00}

Mrs. Poon:  Do we have a high staff turnover rate? Do we have loads of people resign?  Uhh [INAUDIBLE] healthy?  [INAUDILE] Legco, we talk about legco [INAUDIBLE] do you know any [INAUDlBLE] Legco [INAUDIBLE] 你知唔知中文係咩啊? [INAUDIBLE] 議員 geh.

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: 議員 [INAUDIBLE] alright?  If we have people like me who have served [INAUDIBLE] for 37 years

Audience: (你係度做 [INAUDIBLE]) (哈哈哈哈哈)

Mrs. Poon: [INAUDIBLE] old people [INAUDIBLE] old people [INAUDIBLE] the language Centre

{23:00}

Mrs. Poon:   Then its not healthy, the new stuff, alright, new ideas [INAUDIBLE] for language teaching [INAUDIBLE] alright, otherwise we have this system called, uhh [INAUDIBLE] right?  [INAUDIBLE] no new staff, no new ideas, ok?  So it can be a strength, but for so many new staff, we need a good mentoring system; we need support from the experienced staff now, so I will appeal to everybody: team spirit.  If we have good team spirit among us, then we are all partners; we all work back to back, your back against my back, alright?  中文係咩啊?  背靠背啊。Is that a good [INAUDIBLE], back to back?

{24:00}

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: Calvin said its not good

Audience: (哈哈哈哈哈)

Mrs. Poon: [INAUDIBLE] alright?  [INAUDIBLE] Alright?

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE] your back)

Mrs. Poon: [INAUDIBLE] that we can turn to, when we are in trouble, when we are [INAUDIBLE] alright?  Then we have a very good work environment; it is the perfect world for us, right?  Covering each other’s back we are partners so, we always look for partners, and we want  trustworthy partners alright?  Partners that, that, won’t shy away when we are in trouble. Instead of giving your, uhh him or her, your shoulder.

{25:00}

Mrs. Poon: You turn away, then you are not a trustworthy partner, ok?  So team spirit for me, its always important. [INAUDIBLE] so many people [INAUDIBLE] if we don’t work as a term, alright, instead of working back to back, I will stab your back, you want the front or the back?  你想係前面插啊爭係背隻插啊?比人插你[INAUDIBLE] Which way do you want it?  In front or at the back?  Which way is more comfortable?

Audience: (哈哈哈哈)

Mrs. Poon: 好好笑咩?  [INAUDIBLE] in front or at the back?

Audience: (the quickest)

Mrs. Poon: the quickest?

Audience: (哈哈哈哈哈)

Mrs. Poon: [INAUDIBLE] in front.  I prefer [INAUDIBLE] in front, because I can see you, so I know you are my enemy.  If you step me in the back, I can’t see

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Mrs. Poon: [INAUDIBLE] alright?  Do you agree?  So, of course the best [INAUDIBLE] is not to stab each other, right?  [INAUDIBLE] I always appeal to my colleagues, you come to work, you treat it as a big family [INAUDIBLE] alright?  [INAUDIBLE] in one big family, they are all your partners, and your brothers, your sisters, they won’t stab you in front at the back [INAUDIBLE] instead of worrying about when you will get stabbed [INAUDIBLE].  I’m not adopted [INAUDIBLE] so when I talk about weaknesses we may not want to talk about it

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Mrs. Poon:   But I guess some of you know what the weaknesses are, right? If you don’t want to tell me, fine.  But please try to work out [INAUDIBLE] alright?  [INAUDIBLE] this team spirit, lets work together, there are always problems, always difficulties, but when there are problems, there are difficulties, lets turn to each other and look to expose our weaknesses to aliens.  You know what I mean by aliens?  [INAUDIBLE] ET from outer space, [INAUDIBLE] saying, we don’t wash 30 minutes where?

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: 哈哈 in public. Alright ,you don’t wash 30 minutes in public,


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Mrs. Poon: in the front yard, you wash it in the toilet 哈哈,,,, so if there are 30 minutes,alright?  Lets [INAUDIBLE] alright? And not throw them out, and show it to anyone [INAUDIBlE] , it won't [INAUDIBlE] . Do you agree? If there's a problem, lets handle them together,  if you turn to me, I’m very good at washing dirty linens. I'm a woman. Alright? Can you do that?  Ok I'vegot good detergent 哈哈哈哈,好靚 geh 洗衣  粉,有祥污糟衫 le,比我洗,就唔好丟比街外個 D洗衣鋪,可能洗完都污糟嫁,明唔明我講咩啊?得唔得?

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Mrs. Poon:   自己 geh 事就自己處理 [INAUDIBLE] alright?  So what [INAUDIBLE] would like to praise all of you is what I have heard from other department, from other department, how they think of the language centres, alright?  [INAUDIBLE] Department.  I think we have done a really good job [INAUDIBLE] proud that we have a very good team of language staff, don’t forget we are servicing section, we are not a department, so for those senior citizens

Audience: (哈哈哈哈)

Mrs. Poon: so [INAUDIBLE] think about you [INAUDIBLE] days or the [INAUDIBLE] old [INAUDIBLE] days.  How did the other departments treat us?

Audience: (You want me to answer that question?)

Mrs. Poon: Yea, you are one of the senior citizens.

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Audience: (哈哈哈哈哈) ([INAUDIBLE] the principle of [INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: [INAUDIBLE] the [INAUDIBLE] head [INAUDIBLE] the [INAUDIBLE] old days [INAUDIBLE] uhh, there were difficult times, so, other departments they, it its strange, for them the students belonged to them, because we are just a servicing section, we are not [INAUDIBLE] departments, so, we don’t have our students, and [INAUDIBLE] they have a really low [INAUDIBLE] among them.

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Mrs. Poon: We, we, we in those [INAUDIBLE] old days.  Now, things have changed, right?  [INAUDIBLE] I was very proud, almost on equal [INAUDIBLE] alright?  Because of all the things we have done, and its not me, and its not me [INAUDIBLE].  That’s why I talk about 30 minutes, and I, I hope you get my message, alright?  Lets work together to build a strong language centre alright?  Worthy of [INAUDIBLE] other departments that they think highly of us.  Think about the, the very efficient, effective people who contribute to the blending of the Tsing Yi  campus,

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Mrs. Poon:   that we are part of the Tsing Yi campus, and they are proud of us alright?  This is my [INAUDIBLE] to you.  Ok? Is that reasonable?  Yes or No?  You, you get my message?  Alright?  Teamwork. We are one big family, always [INAUDIBLE] we are one big family, so within the family whatever you want to say, you say it, you tell us, alright?  And we will work out solutions together.  You alone may not be able to work out solution, alright?   There are problems, there are difficulties [INAUDIBLE] but if you come to us, alright, we will work together [INAUDIBLE] alright?  Ok?

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Mrs. Poon: Yea, one, one last point is about work, don’t worry about workload, you worry about having no work. [INAUDIBLE] is it, is it good?  Don’t worry about having heavy workload.  People always say that to me, when I tell them I’m very busy 忙碌好過冇野做啊~ 忙咪好lor, 好過冇工做啊~  Alright?  Other, other departments if you look around, alright, the [INAUDIBLE] they, they are really facing this difficulty, I can name the department, they talk to our [INAUDIBLE] colleagues.  [INAUDIBLE] colleagues?  Are they in high spirits?  Yes or no?  You don’t know, you don't talk to them.  Huh?  You don't talk to [INAUDIBLE] colleagues.  They are none of your business.  Alright?  They are really, they are really really worried,

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Mrs. Poon: alright, their student numbers are [INAUDIBLE] one third of our students were BA students [INAUDIBLE] one-third of our students were BA students, but now when we are [INAUDIBLE] this one-third percentage is a burden, you understand?  Alright?  But what have we done?  We have started so many years ago, alright, [INAUDIBLE] training, to bid for new projects, to work on new projects,to come up with new products, alright, [INAUDIBLE] I often ask this question, I don’t know whether you [INAUDIBLE] what are the projects of our languages [INAUDIBLE] we are like the company 哈哈, what are the products of our language [INAUDIBLE] can you tell me some?

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Mrs. Poon: If you can’t answer this, don’t come for interview.  What are the products of our language [INAUDIBLE] over the year, we have [INAUDIBLE] come up with many new products, many new ones

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: Huh?

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: EEA, you don’t know what 哈哈哈哈。[INAUDIBLE] EEA is [INAUDIBLE] training course [INAUDIBLE] but what about the [INAUDIBLE], you should know.  In summer, what do we offer?

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: Summer.  So many people are so bus, huh?  EPS our [INAUDIBLE]

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[INAUDIBLE]

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[INAUDIBLE]

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Mrs. Poon: So I have been very [INAUDIBLE] so I think you understand the rationale [INAUDIBLE] behind all this, alright?

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Audience:  (Thank you very much, [INAUDIBLE] but before Angela introduce uhh the projects [INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: [INAUDIBLE]

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: [INAUDIBLE]

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: Anything you can ask anything

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE])

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Audience: ([INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: [INAUDIBLE]

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE]) ([INAUDIBLE]) just say [INAUDIBLE] I think erm [INAUDIBLE] trust, and um [INAUDIBLE] related to communication, [INAUDIBLE] this is who I am, I’m not a, I’m not at a [INAUDIBLE] level.  So I’m just [INAUDIBLE] I’m jus talking about us. [INAUDIBLE] Local level and [INAUDIBLE] very valuable and very important uhh process, process. [INAUDIBLE] as you say [INAUDIBLE] communication [INAUDIBLE] trust, total trust and umm)

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Audience: (can always be better uhh, but I, uhh [INAUDIBLE] it is very important for eàch [INAUDIBLE]  I’m  not just [INAUDIBLE] but the department [INAUDIBLE] talking about working together [INAUDIBLE] and umm, I think this uhh this trust in team spirit and communication is a very [INAUDIBLE] to focus on, and spend time on and, and develop and [INAUDIBLE] uhh together [INAUDIBLE] the team, the team and management especially since [INAUDIBLE] a lot of new staff, a lot of old staff, a lot of uhh pa-, contract terms and I think umm, this sometimes [INAUDIBLE] to maybe uhh some uhh, umm different perceptions)

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Audience:  [INAUDIBLE] so umm, umm yea, so I think its, and I think something that you can [INAUDIBLE]

Mrs. Poon: Suggestions to include communication

Audience: (Umm yea, in our, in our last meeting uhh,last week, I think uhh one of our members, umm Ada mentioned a very good thing [INAUDIBLE] we have uhh, we acknowledge each other’s [lNAUDIBLE] uhh [INAUDIBLE] gathering [INAUDIBLE] communication, I think uhh [INAUDIBLE] this is good for transmission of information, but uhh to uhh [INAUDIBLE] each other to support each other, to care for each other, I really think a small, uhh a small group is better and uhh [INAUDIBLE] and uhh I think, think that’s where communication starts [INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: [INAUDIBLE] of having many small groups, you know.  Many.

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Mrs. Poon: Some groups can turn  into like uhh, how do you include[INAUDIBLE] in English?  Calvin?

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: [INAUDIBLE]

Audience: (and so yea I said to uhh, I think I uhh mentioned [INAUDIBLE] I think that in my mind, ok, in my mind uhh, you know the objective, you know the objective, of the LC is that uhh, you know we can work together, and we are in [INAUDIBLE] and we can work harmoniously.)

Mrs. Poon: that is exactly [INAUDIBLE]

Audience: (Yea,so, I think if that’s our objective)

Mrs. Poon: Everybody

Audience: (Yea, [INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: work in that direction?

Audience: (that’s what we want)

Mrs. Poon: what's that direction?

Audience: (and, and [INAUDIBLE] I think that’s the [INAUDIBLE] any idea [INAUDIBLE] for this [INAUDIBLE] for that)

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Audience:  (and those, those things around, we have that as an objective, as a LC as you say, as a family umm then 1 think you have that as an objective)

Mrs. Poon:   so that’s why, I think we should have our common goals.  We have our common understanding of why, why we are here, why we have to work so hard.  It’s easy to talk about heavy workload, agreed? Alright?  We all have heavy workload.  I have, I have a very heavy workload. But I [INAUDIBLE] Alright?  [INAUDIBLE] at the end of the day, and then you look back and you say, is it worthwhile, this heavy workload, alright?  And I’m doing it for nothing?  Alright, why do I have to work so hard to live?  We’re not, we’re not working hard for [INAUDIBLE] or for me right?  You’re working hard for your, for everybody

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Mrs. Poon:   the students, for the whole discipline, alright, for the language centre, [INAUDIBLE] we all contribute, we all contribute towards this one big goal

Audience:  ([INAUDIBLE] for saying that [INAUDIBLE] there is [INAUDIBLE] working out [INAUDIBLE] How to deal with it [INAUDIBLE] I think this is what is uhh one of the obstacles that we have and I think this is seen and understood to be fair and to be transparent and  and and and to be accepting, accept, to be accepting of each other’s difficulties, the management and front line staff [INAUDIBLE])

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Audience:  [INAUDIBLE] this openness then I think it will be a long way to uhh you know to uhh [INAUDIBLE] common objective uhh [INAUDIBLE] I tell you, you do it, you do it, and uhh and this unfortunately [INAUDIBLE] this is the culture, the culture of vtc and I’ve been here a long time, even longer than Johnathan so umm [INAUDIBLE] this is the culture, and I think we’re changing at least new people are good [INAUDIBLE] fortunate to work with them [INAUDIBLE])  ([INAUDIBLE] persuade us to one of them [INAUDIBLE])  (There is, there is transparency [INAUDIBLE]) ([INAUDIBLE]) (Just came out of our workshop) (yea, [INAUDIBLE]) (no, its our concern [INAUDIBLE])

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Audience:  (It is the [INAUDIBLE] that we work towards [INAUDIBLE] I think, I think [INAUDIBLE] stronger and we’ll be stronger and work better)

Mrs. Poon:   [INAUDIBLE] that we worry a lot about [INAUDIBLE], alright, [INAUDIBLE] go back and talk about how do we measure, not all the things [INAUDIBLE] and then its really uhh, sometimes it’s a matter of perspective, from which angle we look at it.  [INAUDIBLE] wahh it’s so unfair, but do they see the whole picture, then they say [INAUDIBLE.  Right?  Fairness, there’s there’s no absolute fairness [INAUDIBLE] so difficult when you [INAUDIBLE] you’re trying to kill me

Audience:  (哈哈哈哈)

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Mrs. Poon:   Because I don’t want to get fat, you see nah, I might not like it when you cut me a big piece of cake, I want a small piece of cake, its not fair, alight?  If we have the bigger goal in mind, then we won’t be so, uhh you remember uhh this uhh 周一嶽, he used the term “斤斤計較” and the doctors are so mad with him.  Right?  You remember?  You read the newspaper?  “斤斤計較” what is it?  Calculating, calculating, alright?  [INAUDIBLE] 哈哈 I won’t say alright with you if you start complaining about me again then you are calculating, [INAUDIBLE] alright?  [INAUDIBLE] open minded [INAUDIBLE] if you want to be [INAUDIBLE] alright?

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Mrs. Poon:   Then don’t bring you personal scales 佢話要[INAUDIBLE] always according to some [INAUDIBLE] why is it I, I, I, I, had two [INAUDIBLE] calls [INAUDIBLE] more work than my colleague.  Its so difficult to weigh, you see when you talk about allocation of work, its really a difficult task, allocation of work, alright?  Lets say you talk about modules, alright, one module can be very easy to teach, another module can be very difficult, alright or one, one colleague has so many different modules and then another colleague only teach one module, if you if you try and [INAUDIBLE]

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Mrs. Poon: [INAUDIBLE] because its so difficult, alright, [INAUDIBLE] so try to put yourself in somebody else’s shoes, alright, and look at things from different perspectives [INAUDIBLE] look at things from different perspectives, see it from other angles [INAUDIBLE] that is more accommodating, alright?  Ok?  [INAUDIBLE]

Audience: (Excuse me [INAUDIBLE])

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Audience:  ([INAUDIBLE] rationale, criteria)

Mrs. Poon:   The criteria is, we want our English teachers to be able to write grammatically correctly.  [INAUDIBLE] Sometimes I really, I handle a complain like his, students complain about how the English teacher mark their work.  We have a problem

Audience:  (Hello uhh [INAUDIBLE] really qualified)

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Audience:  [INAUDIBLE] Qualifications, cus’ sometimes there’s a vacancy, someone comes in [INAUDIBLE] problems you know [INAUDIBLE] assess the teachers properly, [INAUDIBLE] google back, has something to do with the culture, [INAUDIBLE] you might employ, employment I guess, more to do with selection process process I guess.)

Mrs. Poon: [INAUDIBLE]

Audience: (But then I think [INAUDIBLE] to uhh criteria’ to, whether [INAUDIBLE] get to see his results [INAUDIBLE] transparent.)

Mrs. Poon: I know, my understanding is that they have uhh

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Mrs. Poon: [INAUDIBLE] double marking [INAUDIBLE] alright??  And then uhh in the past, we, we have this [INAUDIBLE] shortlist one to four [INAUDIBLE] we have this ratio, if I only have one vacancy, then I will only shortlist four candidates its only a waste of everybody’s time right?  If I have only one vacancy and [INAUDIBLE] do you agree?  [INAUDIBLE] right?  We have this ratio, one to four, so that’s why the written test sometimes, we use it in the past, we use it to screen out if [INAUDIBLE] a certain number of candidates

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Mrs. Poon: It’s a shortlisting process [INAUDIBLE] because I have heard colleagues saying that its very stressful to sit for the written test, alright, so lets say if they pass it, they have a pass of fail system, if they pass it let say you are saying two or three years you don’t have to be picked again.  You don’t forget uhh [INAUDIBLE]

Audience: (the [INAUDIBLE] arrangement only applies to [INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: Why isit in the past [INAUDIBLE] conduct the written test, now we are using [INAUDIBLE] is it is it is it [INAUDIBLE]

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Mrs. Poon: Alright?  So [INAUDIBLE] it can be very embarrassing between a student [INAUDIBLE] alright?  So, have I answered your question?  The criteria, you want to see the marking system?

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE] why [INAUDIBLE] fail or pass or what kind of marks)

Mrs. Poon: ok, ok, ok, 拿, uhh let me go to the trouble of, alright, [INAUDIBLE] back to our own colleague and me [INAUDIBLE] like how we teach our students, alright, or we underline [INAUDIBLE] and show you guys

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Audience: [INAUDIBLE]

Mrs. Poon: In the past, we ranked them at ABCD, alright?  And then, we ranked them in terms of priority, according to the number of [INAUDIBLE] and then perhaps this time we will only get the A, D, because [INAUDIBLE] in [INAUDIBLE] not pass or fail [INAUDIBLE] if you pass, you don’t get the job because of no vacancies

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Mrs. Poon: you don’t have to take the written test again [INAUDIBLE]

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE] (umm on the other subject courses uhh because we understand coming _________ next year, so umm, )

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Audience: (we just wonder you know how umm [INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: ex-[INAUDIBLE] of the ex-[INAUDIBLE]

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon:   with, 2012 alright, coming, there won’t be anymore [INAUDIBLE] 2012 we will launch the new [INAUDIBLE] no more [INAUDIBLE] you don’t worry about it.  You know in the coming [INAUDIBLE] we have [INAUDIBLE] for things we would like to ask students [INAUDIBLE] write down on a slip of paper, whatever, do you understand?  哈哈哈哈

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Mrs. Poon: You can write your, your embarrassing question, alright, your difficult question on a piece of paper and then pass it to me, then perhaps we can improve communication.  I know its difficult to ask a question in front of so many people, you are afraid of asking the wrong question and making Mrs. Poon angry, and you don’t know what will happen to you, the next time [INAUDIBLE] like that, [INAUDIBLE] print out your question on a piece of paper, alright, and you put it in a box [INAUDIBLE] who has put in questions [INAUDIBLE] is that one good way to improve our communication? Alright?  [INAUDIBLE] to encourage you to ask question?

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: 哈哈哈哈 is it a good [INAUDIBLE]

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Audience: (yea)

Mrs. Poon: [INAUDIBLE] young folks [INAUDIBLE] to ask questions

Audience: (some people [INAUDIBLE])

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Mrs. Poon: You can send me an email, alright, and use your yahoo account

Audience: (哈哈哈哈)

Mrs. Poon: [INAUDIBLE] don’t know who you are and ask me questions [INAUDIBLE] there are so many good things to communicate without revealing your identity, am I right?  [INAUDIBLE] yahoo account, email account, [INAUDIBLE] send me an email, alright, and ask me questions.  Anything.  [INAUDIBLE]

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE] can be very difficult [INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon:   哈哈哈哈

Audience:  ([INAUDIBLE])

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Audience:  ([INAUDIBLE] even though I’m in the middle of [INAUDIBLE]) (others have experience as well) ([INAUDIBLE])

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Audience: ([INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] 哈哈 how do you [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: [INAUDIBLE] of the matter is [INAUDIBLE]

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Mrs. Poon: now, look at our leadership scheme, you look at other departments, how many SLs do they have?  How many SLs do we have?  [INAUDIBLE] we’re overloaded, we just [INAUDIBLE] directly, and [INAUDIBLE] look at the SL list of other departments, I I I know they are not I I I I und- I’m not making excuses, but I can tell you, the PLs, the SLs, they are all overloaded.  And Mrs. Poon is also overloaded with work.  But [INAUDIBLE] people praise me for having good EQ even when I’m dying, I can smile and laugh [INAUDIBLE]

Audience:  (哈哈哈哈)This is [INAUDIBLE] Yea (I’m not [INAUDIBLE])

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Mrs. Poon: my job as a AD, academic director, I’m going to fight for more SL posts, alright?  The VTC has to be fair to us. Alright, [INAUDIBLE] they’re lying in the sun, enjoying themselves [INAUDIBLE] 哈哈哈哈 having a party everyday, no [INAUDIBLE] lets be [INAUDIBLE] I will talk

Audience: (OK)

Mrs. Poon: to them yes, but I understand, and we’re going to change subject, there won’t be anymore [INAUDIBLE], there won’t be any module teams. [INAUDIBLE]

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: Six o’clock

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Audience: (yes its almost)

Mrs. Poon: almost time

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE] my husband [INAUDIBLE] today [INAUDIBLE] ([INAUDIBLE] 大佬[INAUDIBLE] 大學生) ([INAUDIBLE]) ([INAUDIBLE] 大佬) ([INAUDIBLE]) ([INAUDIBLE]炒左佢[INAUDIBLE]) ([INAUDIBLE] to share with us)

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Audience:  (哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈) ([INAUDIBLE]) ([INAUDIBLE]) ([INAUDIBLE])

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Audience: ([INAUDIBLE]) ([INAUDIBLE] 佢D文真係見唔到人顧wor)

[INAUDIBLE] ([INAUDIBLE])

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Mrs. Poon: 有個南亞裔普通話[INAUDIBLE]黎緊有個project[INAUDIBLE]

Audience: (有冇搞錯[INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: 南亞裔[INAUDIBLE]

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Mrs. Poon: [INAUDIBLE]

Audience: ([INAUDIBLE]) ([INAUDIBLE])

Mrs. Poon: [INAUDIBLE]

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